[CosmosMpower]

Originally Posted by Gorro47

Hello guys,

Been following this forum for sometime.

Im ready to make a deposit for a new toy , the m2 or the gt4.

After seeing some videos of the cs/csl i want one. Just hope the price is not near the new P gt4, because if it is that expensive i´m going for the P car.

What´s the price over the competition you guys think it´s going to have?

Sorry about my english.

Best regards

P-Car. I don't care what they make the M2 CS/CSL it won't be as good of a car as a new GT4. Bet on it.

[S1monQc]

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

P-Car. I don't care what they make the M2 CS/CSL it won't be as good of a car as a new GT4. Bet on it.

Agreed.

The next logical step after an M2 is a GT Porsche IMO (GTS, GT4, GT3/RS)

[CosmosMpower]

Originally Posted by S1monQc

Agreed.

The next logical step after an M2 is a GT Porsche IMO (GTS, GT4, GT3/RS)

Agree but GTS is no GT car

GT4 is barely a GT car It has the 'N55' red head stepchild engine treatment, not a real GT engine. The new one is supposed to have the detuned 991.2 4L GT3 motor which will be sick.

[F87_LCI]

Originally Posted by adc

This.

The new GT4 will not disappoint, but the M2CS might. I’d only chose the M2CS between the two if I needed rear seats for practicality.

The problem is unless you have already bought a P car (or 5) from a dealer you aren't getting the 718GT4 new...doesn't matter how much $$ you have or who you think you are. I tried to get on the list at two dealerships and the sales guys just laughed at me...literally. One guy actually said "No chance. Zero. I can sell you a Macan if you want."

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Paul-Bracq-BMW

For the M8 maybe they can call it CSNL? N for nicht (not) of course... Acronyms don't mean anything nowadays...

Originally Posted by Artemis

Struggling with weight ? As they can't say that the "L" from "CSL" now stands for "Luxus" (luxury) instead of "Leichtbau" (leightweight construction), they give it a "CS" badge ?

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by F87_LCI

The problem is unless you have already bought a P car (or 5) from a dealer you aren't getting the 718GT4 new...doesn't matter how much $$ you have or who you think you are. I tried to get on the list at two dealerships and the sales guys just laughed at me...literally. One guy actually said "No chance. Zero. I can sell you a Macan if you want."

Try harder. I have 2 deposits at #6 and #14 at 2 out of state dealerships. Both should honor MSRP. It's not hard to get these cars at MSRP and without prior history if you really tried.

And yes, the dealerships did get that many allocations on the previous GT4 so they should get at least as many this time since the production numbers will be higher.

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

Agree but GTS is no GT car

GT4 is barely a GT car It has the 'N55' red head stepchild engine treatment, not a real GT engine. The new one is supposed to have the detuned 991.2 4L GT3 motor which will be sick.

The next GT4 will not get the 4L from the GT3. It will get the old 3.8L with X51 and an upgraded intake. Still very very good.

[CosmosMpower]

Originally Posted by Gatte

The next GT4 will not get the 4L from the GT3. It will get the old 3.8L with X51 and an upgraded intake. Still very very good.

Eww still the base 3.8 with X51? This is the first time i've heard of this.

[F87_LCI]

Originally Posted by Gatte

Try harder. I have 2 deposits at #6 and #14 at 2 out of state dealerships. Both should honor MSRP. It's not hard to get these cars at MSRP and without prior history if you really tried. .

lol, "Oh, but please Porsche...take my money. I really am deserving. I donated to Sick Kids Hospital just yesterday and I have never kicked a puppy or yelled at the elderly. Pretty please."

F-em. I'm not begging for a car. Lots of other brands out there that will take my $.

[No Boost]

Originally Posted by F87_LCI

lol, "Oh, but please Porsche...take my money. I really am deserving. I donated to Sick Kids Hospital just yesterday and I have never kicked a puppy or yelled at the elderly. Pretty please."

F-em. I'm not begging for a car. Lots of other brands out there that will take my $.

I agree about the "begging" aspect as it pertains to Porsche, utter nonsense for an enthusiast to be subjected to. Then again, it is a P GT car, considered by many as driving nirvana. I hope I get the chance to grovel to a Porsche sales person at some point and see what all the fuss is about. Until then, my suped up 2er will provide way more than adequate driving pleasure.

[S1monQc]

Originally Posted by F87_LCI

The problem is unless you have already bought a P car (or 5) from a dealer you aren't getting the 718GT4 new...doesn't matter how much $$ you have or who you think you are. I tried to get on the list at two dealerships and the sales guys just laughed at me...literally. One guy actually said "No chance. Zero. I can sell you a Macan if you want."

That's what I've been told too but there are some very low miles/new 1st gen GT4 for sale at dealers around Montreal... I wonder why people can't get allocation but then the dealer has brand new car for sale

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by Paul-Bracq-BMW

LOL, but it would not be that hard to develop an M2 CSL, which, image wise, could do wonders for the brand.

There was mention of an M4 CSL, ok, I get it but it should be M3.

But an M8 CSL??? M8 and lightweight don't go together except for the actual race car...

The M8 Coupe is heavily inspired by the Race car after all the race car is called the M8 not the M850i GTE. I saw the M8 Coupe recently in its Motegi paintwork, it's a brutal looking beast, promises to be crazy fast and rewarding.
It was heavily Stressed enough that this not an M5 Coupe and that it opens a chapter that will gradually add to throughout its Life Cycle.

When the M2CS debuts the window is not too long to close in regards to including further progression, as all focus will be put on the new M3 and M4 Coupe models.

[No Boost]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

When the M2CS debuts....

It's confirmed then, this is the M2CS?

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by F87_LCI

lol, "Oh, but please Porsche...take my money. I really am deserving. I donated to Sick Kids Hospital just yesterday and I have never kicked a puppy or yelled at the elderly. Pretty please."

F-em. I'm not begging for a car. Lots of other brands out there that will take my $.

Not sure where you got the begging part from. Most dealers are not very honest and this is the same with most manufacturers (BMW included). I remember my local dealer asking for a 10K market adjustment on his 3rd or 4th allocation of the original M2. This is simple demand and supply.

However, there are still good guy dealerships out there who will sell you a car at MSRP if you got on the list well in advance. Some give first priority to existing customers and then go through the list which is completely fine by me.

It will require a fair bit of calling around to get the list of dealerships but should be relatively straight forward after that.

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

Eww still the base 3.8 with X51? This is the first time i've heard of this.

The 991.1 GT3 was an evolution of the old 3.8L. It got better internals, an improved intake, lubrication system etc. to handle the extra RPM.The GT4 does not need the fancy internals and hence will not have them.

I exchanged a few messages with a local race team owner who drives the old GT4 Clubsport and has seen the new GT4 clubsport. He was very happy with what Porsche have done with it. The new car should continue to produce more power right till the redline where the older car stopped a few hundred RPM short of the redline. The improved intake should be similar to the new GT3 as well.

The difference in the engine internals between the GT3 and GT4 is purely due to necessity. The GT4 does not need the fancy internals because it does not need to rev as much. It's a well known fact that there are not many cars that can take as much abuse on the track as the ones from Weissach.

I fully expect the new car to knock 10 seconds off the time set by the old GT4 (7:40) on the Nurburgring which brings it very close to the M4 GTS's time. Now add the fact that it does this with a manual transmission and no turbos. There's something very pure and special about it.

[adc]

Originally Posted by F87_LCI

The problem is unless you have already bought a P car (or 5) from a dealer you aren't getting the 718GT4 new...doesn't matter how much $$ you have or who you think you are. I tried to get on the list at two dealerships and the sales guys just laughed at me...literally. One guy actually said "No chance. Zero. I can sell you a Macan if you want."

I can get one, probably at some sort of premium, but I’m not at that stage in my life just yet. Still need 4 doors/4 seats.

But in 2-3 years time there will be nothing stopping me from getting a used GT3, GT4 or GTS (stick is a must). Plenty of choices out there with less than 10k miles on them.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Gatte

I fully expect the new car to knock 10 seconds off the time set by the old GT4 (7:40) on the Nurburgring which brings it very close to the M4 GTS's time. Now add the fact that it does this with a manual transmission and no turbos. There's something very pure and special about it.

Is Porsche gonna keep the long gearing ratios ?

Sounds can deceive, but doesn't that (fast) *chuck* sound during shifting rather suggest PDK than manual transmission for trained ears (Monza circuit - October 2018 testing) ? (fixed side windows = Clubsport).

[lax01]

That upshift is FAST

Sounds great

F**K "real M and GT engines"... car is going to be a monster

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Paul-Bracq-BMW

The wing is necessary for more downforce like the GT3 RS for track duties. Also the original CSL Batmobile had a big rear wing.
Maybe they could make a pared down version à la GT3 RS Touring...
If you don't like the wing and more extreme aero, you can also choose the CS featured in the spy pics.
But for me the CSL needs to be a GT4 homologation special: an almost track car made for the road.
Cheers!

Earlier this Summer:

[bogeyman]

No one knows what engine the 718 GT4 will get but here are the 4 rumoured contenders:

*Detuned 4.0L GT3
*All new 4.0L N/A
*Old 3.8L + X51 powerkit
*3.0L turbocharged

Gatte, what are your thoughts on a GT4-RS ? If one is in the pipeline, thats the one i'd imagine would get the GT3 engine

Originally Posted by Gatte

The next GT4 will not get the 4L from the GT3. It will get the old 3.8L with X51 and an upgraded intake. Still very very good.

[Transfer]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Those short shifts honestly hurt my soul.
The driver is clearly not revving it out on purpose.

[Uncledanny6]

Does EVERYONE really like the Mirrors, or is there merely an envy/fury that the OG M2 didn't come with them ? To me they look Lexus/Acura/Batman Japanese . JMO

[Bimmed Out]

Originally Posted by Gatte

The next GT4 will not get the 4L from the GT3. It will get the old 3.8L with X51 and an upgraded intake.

Correct.

Originally Posted by bogeyman

No one knows what engine the 718 GT4 will get but here are the 4 rumoured contenders:

*Detuned 4.0L GT3
*All new 4.0L N/A
*Old 3.8L + X51 powerkit
*3.0L turbocharged

Absolute hard no on the two highlighted in blue.