[Artemis]

Originally Posted by GOLFFRR

I think I read somewhere only 500 to US? thats not very many!

That 500 figure has started to lead its own life. It was initially posted in this article, but later on the following update message was added:

"Update: An earlier version of this story stated the number of cars BMW will send to America; the automaker says it is unable to confirm the exact number of units that will be sent here at this time. We have updated the post accordingly."

So you can ignore that 500 figure for now.

[Fuller]

Originally Posted by chmura

Because its still a heavy pig. Maybe 20-50 lbs or less.

Most modern street legal cars are heavy. Cars won't lose any weight as they become more hybridized and electric, so might as well enjoy what we have now instead of bemoaning that cars today are heavier than they were 30 years ago.

[10"]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Base price = 6-speed manual transmission + non-metallic body color (Alpine White).

• Base price for Germany (source: BMW Group PressClub Deutschland - see here):

  "Der Einstiegspreis für den BMW M2 CS liegt bei 95.000 Euro."

• Base price for Belgium and Luxembourg (source: BMW Group PressClub Belux - see here (FR) and here (NL)):

  "Prices for the BMW M2 CS start at €96.500 for Belgium and €93.350 for Luxembourg."

• Base price for France (source: BMW Group PressClub France - see here):

  "Tarif au 6 novembre 2019 de la BMW M2 CS: 99 800 €"

• Base price for the United Kingdom (source: BMW Group PressClub UK - see here):

  "Prices start from £75,320 OTR."

• Base price for Switzerland (source: BMW Group PressClub Schweiz - see here):

  "Der Einstiegspreis für den BMW M2 CS liegt bei CHF 114'900.-"

Using your german Euros price, deducting VAT and converting into USD—— the M2 CS will most certainly be in the $85k range in the US market for the base car.

This formula works 95% of the time for an accurate price.

How many buyers will this car have at $85k? Some—-but not a lot. How many buyers over $90k? Very few, IMO.

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by Ghostriderf80

Interesting to see that under the CF trunk you have a mount for the wing. or is it for something else.

It does have some sort of spoiler on the trunk not sure how it's attached though.

[JaredG_F30]

Honestly, I'd like to know more about the eLSD on this M2. Is it a toque vectoring type or the type I have on my 335i where brakes are applied to the spinning wheel which makes it somewhat unpredictable and it feels synthetic. Swapping out the eLSD for a mechanical one like the M Performance LSD (which is a mechanical LSD) is a common mod for track rats and driving enthusiasts and comes highly recommended.

Does anyone have any technical info on the M2C eLSD?

Originally Posted by clee1982

What's better about mechanical LSD?

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

....outgoing M4.

It's also the outgoing M2.

[alavigne]

Originally Posted by JaredG_F30

Honestly, I'd like to know more about the eLSD on this M2. Is it a toque vectoring type or the type I have on my 335i where brakes are applied to the spinning wheel which makes it somewhat unpredictable and it feels synthetic. Swapping out the eLSD for a mechanical one like the M Performance LSD (which is a mechanical LSD) is a common mod for track rats and driving enthusiasts and comes highly recommended.

Does anyone have any technical info on the M2C eLSD?

I'm pretty sure the M-differential in the M2 is a real LSD that apportions torque itself, and not a virtual LSD that is done by braking a spinning wheel. The "e" refers to the fact that the amount of torque being applied to whatever wheel is adjustable and is adjusted electronically within the diff.

To put it another way - it's a mechanical diff with an electronic control to the amount and direction of torque split.

[Dr.Deep]

Originally Posted by 10"

Using your german Euros price, deducting VAT and converting into USD—— the M2 CS will most certainly be in the $85k range in the US market for the base car.

This formula works 95% of the time for an accurate price.

How many buyers will this car have at $85k? Some—-but not a lot. How many buyers over $90k? Very few, IMO.

It anyway can have only 2200 buyers worldwide

This will be a collectors car at first, so not many of these 2200 will hit the streets regulary. And collector items are expensive

[ChiTownM]

BMWs are not collectors items, we have seen this many times in the past decade and beyond....they do not hold any value, regardless of the hype! I know since I have voted with my wallet previously unfortunately. I will wait and see how this one goes.

[MR.]

And then you will have the American dealers adding 15K premium on top of it because they think there is a market for that car next to the Camaros and Caymans

MR

[COChris]

Originally Posted by ChiTownM

BMWs are not collectors items, we have seen this many times in the past decade and beyond....they do not hold any value, regardless of the hype! I know since I have voted with my wallet previously unfortunately. I will wait and see how this one goes.

These have held more than "any value", regardless of hype:

1M
E46 M3 CSL
E36 M3 GT

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by COChris

These have held more than "any value", regardless of hype:

1M
E46 M3 CSL
E36 M3 GT

the 1M has held value solely due to rarity... there is just about nothing special about that car... the M235i best it on just about every track lol

[ChiTownM]

Originally Posted by COChris

These have held more than "any value", regardless of hype:

1M
E46 M3 CSL
E36 M3 GT

1M was the only one available in the US. And a different price point too than the CS and GTS M cars. The market will be very limited at the price point anticipated for it, but we will see what happens.

Porsche GT cars are getting pricey too and typically hold their value much better than all M, AMG and RS limited editions.....

[Pic18]

Originally Posted by Ghostriderf80

The direct bolt to the frame gives you a much different feel to the car. Very precise. This can also be achieved with some coil over kits which remove the rubber bushings.

So I am confused on how this differs from the current M2/M3/M4, or at least the current M3/M4. I thought they all had subframes directedly bolted to frame with no bushings?

From the original M4 press release "Rear axle subframe bolted directly to body structure (bolted joints between the axle subframe and the body sills, without use of elastic rubber elements)"

So this really isn't a change or what am I missing?

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by Pic18

So I am confused on how this differs from the current M2/M3/M4, or at least the current M3/M4. I thought they all had subframes directedly bolted to frame with no bushings?

So this really isn't a change or what am I missing?

Nothing.. BMW just copy and pasted the same literature from the 2014 M4 release.

I mean, the M2 CS is mechanically equivalent to a M4 Competition in a smaller package, same Adaptive Suspension and all, with the addition of a lot of carbon fiber. So you really can't blame them for leaving it as is.

[chmura]

With a $85-90k USD price tag say goodbye to the people on the waiting list. People will be dropping off the wait list on the CS like flies!

[SeanWRT]

Well...it takes the CF fender and MP HAS to complete the look.

[Conissah]

While I LOVE the carbon center console, there is no arm rest or storage in it... Might just be nitpicking here, but why was it removed? You can't tell me that it adds THAT much weight. Where are you to put your phone and wallet?

[535i MSport]

In the U.K. electric seats are an option, not sure what the other options are yet, but it looks like they have tried to keep the price down, by keeping the spec down.

[M2PDX]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Of course the M2 CS base price for the US will be lower than the European price (€95K for Germany). US price is currently unknown yet.

My guesstimate was/is $85K as base price for the US (see here). I mean, if I were on the US market, I'd consider everything below $85K as a 'bonus' for this car. But don't take my guesstimate as gospel - I got zero information about the US price.

Agree 100%! I'd buy one for $85,000, with a manual transmission!!!

Of course, it wouldn't stay Misano Blue for long. It would quickly become clothed in protective, San Marino Blue Autoflex paint.


That would be worth it.

[COChris]

Originally Posted by ChiTownM

1M was the only one available in the US. And a different price point too than the CS and GTS M cars. The market will be very limited at the price point anticipated for it, but we will see what happens.

Porsche GT cars are getting pricey too and typically hold their value much better than all M, AMG and RS limited editions.....

I agree that the CS is pricey. It really is bad timing as the gen 1 GT4s have already started to slide.

[Jockey]

Originally Posted by ASAP

the 1M has held value solely due to rarity... there is just about nothing special about that car... the M235i best it on just about every track lol

Fast track times do not special car make

People vote with their wallets when it comes to "specialness". 1M definitely qualifies there.