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Of course.
Curb weight noun the weight of an automotive vehicle including fuel, coolant, and lubricants but excluding occupants and cargo. It's simply a matter of comparing apples to apples or oranges to oranges. Vehicle weights should be compared by the same criteria: empty weight (no fuel, occupants or baggage) or curb weight.
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A claimed curb weight of 3595 pounds for the sedan with the seven-speed dual-clutch automatic; 3585 pounds for the coupe. You can have a six-speed manual, which also saves almost 90 pounds of overall weight. It’s rear-wheel drive with an electronically controlled limited-slip differential. Read more: http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...#ixzz37H9yY3aJ
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Curb weight. I got those figures from the August issue of Motor Trend. The article was entitled "The Legend Returns ... with Two Turbos and an Evil Twin." It was a pretty extensive write-up on the 2015 M3 and 2015 M4.
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But back to my original point, I don't believe the M235i weighs more than the new M3/M4 as BE asserts.
As to the weight disparity between manual and automatic transmission options, it is only fair to compare the cars with the same transmission. There have been other erroneous posts regarding the M235i such as a claim that the car is not available with the so-called "Halo" or "Corona" headlights. That statement was also untrue. There seems to be some not-so-vailed animosity towards the new M235i on this forum, all from folks who own something else.
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Perhaps its best to weigh an M4 with 6MT and carbon roof versus the M235i with 6MT and no sunroof both with full tanks.
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What? The extra 2 doors only weight 2 more lbs ahahaha
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Couple of links: http://www.autoblog.com/2014/07/04/a...-toyota-sales/ http://www.autoblog.com/2014/07/10/a...-mercedes-cla/
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Yeah, that caught my eye, too. Just double-checked Motor Trend's article and yes, only 2 pound difference between the 2-door and 4-door test cars. Perhaps there were some differences in options? Don't know...
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According to the BMW USA web site. The M4 automatic curb weight is 3585 vs 3535 for the M235i. The m4 manual is 3530 vs 3505 for the M235i. So the weight is pretty close between the two cars. The M235i is 50 lbs lighter than the M4 for cars with automatics and 25 lbs lighter for manual trans.
The curb weight given for the 435i is 3635 for the auto and 3600 for the manual. The M4 is 105 or 70 lbs lighter than the 4. If BMW can achieve similar weight reduction the M2 could get down in the mid 3400s. I don't expect anything more than that will be achieved. |
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For all intents and purposes the weight is too close to call one more than the other as some will order options and that changes the weight. Some of us weight a buck some a buck fifty some two bucks lol
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Check your figures again. Following info straight from BMW USA website: M235i automatic curb weight = 3535 lbs. M235i manual curb weight = 3505 lbs. M4 automatic curb weight = 3585 lbs. M4 manual curb weight = 3530 lbs. The M235i is lighter by 50 lbs. and 25 lbs. respectively, it seems. But all said, I'm sure the M4's massive power will somehow overcome the additional weight
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The weight of the new M2 in it's lightest configuration will be my deciding factor. If the car comes in over 3300 lbs in the least optioned configuration I'm out. If Porsche comes out with the new 718 two seat roadster with 286/295 (HP/TQ) in 2016 weighing less than 2650 lbs for under $50K buy in, and the M2 doesn't match it in performance power-to-weight ratio then I will have to go with the better price/performance sports car.
I consider the torque number the more sporting number than the horsepower. |
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Seems like you won't be getting the M2.
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And I'll add to that, good torque beginning at low RPM's and flat torque curve right into the RPM range where the HP kicks in. This explains why I like the engine in the M235i so much.
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http://www.europeancarweb.com/firstl...g_first_drive/ So they could get the weight down below 3300 probably into the 3200 range, but at some point the car would cost more than the M4. Some of us would say, I don't care I am willing to pay more for a superlight M2 than the cost of a bloated M4 but that's a small handful of customers. My guess is M2 comes in between 3375lbs to 3425lbs for the Manual. Lighter suspension, carbon fiber roof I think they probably add up to about the 70lbs difference between the 435i and the M4. Doing much more than that will drive the cost up too close to the M4 for most people |
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Deposits are not needed. It's not going to be a limited production car.
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While the carbon fiber roof may not make it over from the M3/4, the auto-blip rev-matching feature on the manual transmission should. Some "purists" might not like this but as long as you can toggle it on/off I say go for it BMW - it will help keep the manual option viable going forward, and it's needed to compete with the likes of everything from the Mini to the C7 that now have this.
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Bottom line is whatever BMW decides to do this car will sell in large numbers, just like every other BMW. They usually do not do everything we want but in the end for most people they end up loving it.
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