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Toyota Mirai is a very successful car. Very comfortable. The best configuration is blue and chrome rims. The interior is of better quality than the BMW 5er G60...
In Poland we only have 5 hydrogen refueling stations and this is a big disadvantage.
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182 hp It may be successful by your definition of fit and finish But not objectively |
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How do you figure it is successful? You think Toyota makes any money on them? How many have been sold? Would you buy one?
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It's a huge turd in the US.
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madness. hydrogen is not easy to find. gas or EV is easier.
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The cost is astronomical, however that will change in time Porsche is spending a grip on research and development and they have a financial partner and it’s looking quite promising
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Finally car companies that are using their heads. Hydrogen will make tons of power, only has water for exhaust. Let’s hope the fueling stations will be available.
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Car companies making a model that uses hydrogen aren't doing anything to solve the real problems. I am 100% confident all major manufacturers can build the vehicle, would love to hear who they think will buy it and how these people will use it. Seems to be mostly a publicity/marketing stunt. We all know Toyota produces a hydrogen vehicle, none of us have any plans to own one.
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That’s a bold claim. I couldn’t plan to own one because I don’t live in the state where they’ve been available. I don’t understand the resistance to exploring options. We are facing a big challenge and I think it’s short-sighted to rule out anything at this point.
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I'm completely fine with them building whatever they want to build just don't see the path forward. I was & still am somewhat skeptical of EV's for everyone but from the beginning it made sense that putting a charger at my house was a simple, convenient place to start & came with really low refuel costs. Explain something similar with hydrogen. Nobody seems to have the path forward with it & how to deal with the super high cost of refuelling. 95% of the time it won't be close to as convenient as an EV would be for me (10 seconds to plug in at my house), never be close to as cheap to refuel. In the last decade we went from an EV being impossible for long distance travel to not as convenient as an ICE. Hydrogen? What do you see as the path forward with hydrogen? I live in Cincinnati, when do you think it will make sense for me to buy one? In 2014 I was less skeptical than I am today.
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It will finally have a chance to be a greener solution than burning coal to produce electricity and transmit with an inefficient grid. Not everyone gets bright sunshine all day long to do solar. Now we are truly talking about charging convenience, whatever happened to the tree hugging environmentalist elites who were taking pride in a Tesla model x that would finally save our planet from global warming. Don’t get me started on the battery waste and wastelands to be created in next 5 years. The EV narrative and brainwashing will continue. Hydrogen may truly be the answer, time will tell
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I don’t know what the path forward is with hydrogen fuel cell cars. That’s why I want someone to keep working on it - so we can figure it out. If you know that EVs aren’t for everyone, what’s your solution for those people? I don’t want to give up my ICE car any more than the next person, but I suspect at some point I’ll have to. So if an EV doesn’t work me, then I’m just screwed in your world? And just because you can’t buy one in the near term doesn’t mean the research and exploration have no value FFS. You’ve got all the answers on what’ll never happen - where’s the peer-reviewed research paper that you published? I’m sure Toyota and BMW would be very interested. |
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What do this person make up in their statement? Are you under the impression battery packs last forever, are efficient or they don’t weigh hundreds of pounds? The only recycleable part is the battery casing and conductive components. You’ll maybe get 8-10% of the chemical makeup reused.
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