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I think it could surpass the EV in some parts of the world where it’s hard to charge cars. Let EV succeed in places where it works. Let ICE morph with E Fuel. And this hydrogen- it will make sense too for the right customer base. |
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If you want to make your own difficulties, go ahead. But unless you've personally lived with an EV 24/7/365, I have to take your concerns with more than just a grain of salt. I wouldn't attempt to tell you the difficulties of owning a horse, without having personal experiences to articulate to you as such. Last edited by Alpine Wait; 09-05-2024 at 09:24 PM.. |
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This was helpful. So the first gen of hydrogen approach was a battery pack and hydrogen fuel, and it failed. What’s different about this time around?
https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...gen-cars-fcev/ |
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BMW explored this back in 2005 or 2006. They tested an E66 hydrogen car and ran it for 1,000,000 miles or something like that.
And at its conclusion mothballed the project to wait for the times to catch up. https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/usa/a...bmw-hydrogen-7 |
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- first production car with this FCEV hydrogen architecture, so it is unique to the brand - goal of building hydrogen supply stations by creating demand - filling the void in the market where BEV doesn’t work So it’s not new, and it’s not what they did decades ago. Why should it succeed this time around where Toyota and Honda failed? https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/usa/a...79EN_US/621765 |
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ICE, hydrogen, Ev, nuclear fusion, water pressure powered, etc just do not try to force the transition like the EU and other US globalists are pushing. All EV by 2030!!? Allow the "free market" decide how we travel. Imagine a 80 mph accident with a fully loaded hydrogen car and an a EV, sparks would fly and then boom.... I'm personally waiting for Scotty to Beam Me Up!
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Yes really, very VERY really a sustainable and viable zero emissions solution.
Electric cars was a fairytale from the start when we needed to burn more carbon to generate the electrify than the ICE cars themselves. Then there was the environmental impact of all the mining required to source minerals for the batteries, THEN their is the battery disposal / pollution problem for all the dead batteries. EV cars were never ever able to be sustained. Wasn’t even a good idea from the start. |
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Mining in general is destructive. Have you seen diamond and gold mining in third world countries? How about oil drilling in Africa? It's not pretty, but I don't imagine you have a problem with that. You know why? It's because you don't really give a shit about lmining. You're just pissed off about the transitions to EV's and you're using lithium mining as a weak ass excuse. Btw. One of if not the largest lithium deposit in the world is located in N. Nevada. Now back to H2. At this moment large scale hydrogen production is done via NatGas or splitting water. Both of which require a bunch of energy. The other issue with hydrogen is that when in liquid form it continually gets lost to the atmosphere. This creates a problem because there's no nationwide hydrogen distribution system. Yet we have a nationwide electrical distribution system. How much in tax do you want to pay to build out a H2 distribution system?
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Second, you claim you can read my mind in why (if) I don’t like Ev’s. That’s just makes you look foolish. Third, mining for mineral for a battery that lasts only 10 years IS NOT A SUSTAINABLE Solution. No biased or hidden agenda, just a logical conclusion. Lastly, I don’t like to debate with aggressive, ill mannered people. Bye |
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I don't like the idea of destroying the environment and poisoning people with toxic metals in 3rd world countries so the elitists can have their EV's. But the selfish elitists don't care. I like the idea of fuel cell technology and what it can do. It may take many years, but I think it's a better idea than EV's. Maybe EV's can get there someday too, but right now it's a net negative on the environment and people too. |
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Next time someone wants to build a factory or large housing development and we say we don't have enough power will make news. Never happens. No reason you need chargers every 15-20 feet on all residential streets in a city. Most need to charge at most every 5-7 days. You seem to be going on the idea that everyone needs to charge everyday. Maybe the high mileage city dweller that comes home every day? Who is this? I'm interested in seeing the information on the rest of your claims. 30 large trucks use the same amount of electricity as a city? Interested in hearing the math on this one. 12 forklifts and the city says it's not possible? Why? There are plenty of manufacturers making electric forklifts, somebody is buying them. They want to double the size of their facility and there is plenty of power. Electrification of the entire fleet can't happen today. Great, as it's impossible to happen today. If 100% of cars built starting today are electric it will take decades to get to 100%. This is a reason EV's won't work? Power generation ---- Note how little the overall generation has changed over the last 20 years. Also note the part that comes from coal, the never ending "your EV is powered by coal", comes from people that either don't understand or don't care about the facts. Now coal is about 16% of the total, not close to having a coal powered EV. As this is a post about hydrogen cars, how do you think hydrogen is produced? We don't have enough power today to power a nation that is 100% EV's so we should produce hydrogen from electricity to eliminate the problem? https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/...-and-sales.php
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Here’s an interesting take
Headline: “BMW, Toyota take a risky gamble on a failing product” https://www.thestreet.com/automotive...amble-hydrogen |
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