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      04-09-2020, 02:38 PM   #89
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Yeah i only use sport+ throttle as soon as it's warm.

Why bother with half way?

Steering is more subjective, but for me sport is "normal" natural feel. Comfort is for old ladies parking, sport+ is like stirring porridge and for guys who work out too much...
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Correct. I’m actually pretty annoyed the car does this rather than “remember” what settings you had before. Usually when I start my car, I switch over to comfort steering as I prefer the lighter feel. If I use my M1 or M2 settings and then turn them off again, the car will go back to sport steering. Minor annoyance, but it’s there.
I read that the reason BMW does this is that when it tests the cars, these are the parameters they use to get their MPG claims.

Also, my M1 is Sport Motor, comfort everything else, M2 is Sport + Motor, comfort everything else with MDM on.
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I read that the reason BMW does this is that when it tests the cars, these are the parameters they use to get their MPG claims.

Also, my M1 is Sport Motor, comfort everything else, M2 is Sport + Motor, comfort everything else with MDM on.
Ohhh that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the explanation!
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      04-09-2020, 04:07 PM   #92
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"juddering" or "jumping" in Sport+?

I've got an M2C and have noticed that when in Sport+ mode and you accelerate reasonably hard (not excessively, foot not on the floor - max 50% depressed) from a standing start the car "judders". It's not just in first gear but can happen as the car cycles through the first few gears (gearbox on auto).

I've had a look across a few forums and explanations vary from something wrong with the car that needs to be looked at to other that say it's a normal issue if too much throttle in such an aggressive engine mode.

Just wondering if anyone else has experienced that?

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I've got an M2C and have noticed that when in Sport+ mode and you accelerate reasonably hard (not excessively, foot not on the floor - max 50% depressed) from a standing start the car "judders". It's not just in first gear but can happen as the car cycles through the first few gears (gearbox on auto).

I've had a look across a few forums and explanations vary from something wrong with the car that needs to be looked at to other that say it's a normal issue if too much throttle in such an aggressive engine mode.

Just wondering if anyone else has experienced that?

Thanks
All the time. Wheel slippage and the DSC kicking in? This M2 has a very squirelly rear end.
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All the time. Wheel slippage and the DSC kicking in? This M2 has a very squirelly rear end.
Thank you for your reply. It's not DSC kicking in or wheel slippage. Is like the car is "stable" but jerking forward. Almost as if I'm feathering the throttle but I'm not. So the car jerks forwards and then pauses and then jerks forward and then pauses etc...
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Thank you for your reply. It's not DSC kicking in or wheel slippage. Is like the car is "stable" but jerking forward. Almost as if I'm feathering the throttle but I'm not. So the car jerks forwards and then pauses and then jerks forward and then pauses etc...
At 50% throttle in S+ i get slippage (depends on the road too, which all suck around here), but yes, generally in 1st and 2nd, it feels jerky, but smooths out nicely once in 3rd and beyond
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      04-09-2020, 05:40 PM   #96
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I've got an M2C and have noticed that when in Sport+ mode and you accelerate reasonably hard (not excessively, foot not on the floor - max 50% depressed) from a standing start the car "judders". It's not just in first gear but can happen as the car cycles through the first few gears (gearbox on auto).

I've had a look across a few forums and explanations vary from something wrong with the car that needs to be looked at to other that say it's a normal issue if too much throttle in such an aggressive engine mode.

Just wondering if anyone else has experienced that?

Thanks
I've found it hard to shift into gear smoothly in sport+ at low speeds. I haven't used it much after the first few days but I seem to remember the 1 to 2nd shift being jerky.

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This brings up a question I've had since owning the car. In the 1m there was a sport button. It did nothing more than change the amount of throttle applied. So if you depressed the throttle say 20% it produced 50% throttle. There was no actual power increase though, it simply removed the ability to finely modulate the throttle. For that reason a lot of 1m folks didn't use it.

The M2 seems different though. The Sport button genuinely makes the car feel faster to me. It feels like it accelerates harder. Is that correct?

The Sport + button doesn't feel like it's any more powerful than Sport mode. It simply plays the throttle trick were 20% depressed pedal results in 50% throttle application.

Maybe I'm wrong on all of this. Someone educate me!
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This brings up a question I've had since owning the car. In the 1m there was a sport button. It did nothing more than change the amount of throttle applied. So if you depressed the throttle say 20% it produced 50% throttle. There was no actual power increase though, it simply removed the ability to finely modulate the throttle. For that reason a lot of 1m folks didn't use it.

The M2 seems different though. The Sport button genuinely makes the car feel faster to me. It feels like it accelerates harder. Is that correct?

The Sport + button doesn't feel like it's any more powerful than Sport mode. It simply plays the throttle trick were 20% depressed pedal results in 50% throttle application.

Maybe I'm wrong on all of this. Someone educate me!
I'm just pulling this out of my ass, but to me the car feels just as fast in eco mode as it does in sport+ at max boost in the meaty part of the rev range.

And it does give you different throttle mapping for Sport and Sport+

HOWEVER it also makes the engine significantly less laggy in sport and sport+. Eco mode feels like an old-school turbocharged car. Floor it and there's a good second or two delay until the turbos spool. In Sport+ that delay is much smaller. I tend to not push the car in the corners too much in eco mode for this reason, i'm worried that if i put the car into MDM or TCS off mode and the turbo spooled mid corner, it could catch me out. Sport and Sport+ provide a much more linear power curve, despite their exaggerated throttle inputs.
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      04-09-2020, 07:00 PM   #99
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I only drive it in the regular modes for a few seconds if I forget to double press the M1 button, cause you know, I'm sort of a bad ass
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This brings up a question I've had since owning the car. In the 1m there was a sport button. It did nothing more than change the amount of throttle applied. So if you depressed the throttle say 20% it produced 50% throttle. There was no actual power increase though, it simply removed the ability to finely modulate the throttle. For that reason a lot of 1m folks didn't use it.

The M2 seems different though. The Sport button genuinely makes the car feel faster to me. It feels like it accelerates harder. Is that correct?

The Sport + button doesn't feel like it's any more powerful than Sport mode. It simply plays the throttle trick were 20% depressed pedal results in 50% throttle application.

Maybe I'm wrong on all of this. Someone educate me!
Brief summary

Efficient

Lowest throttle response

Exhaust valves almost always remain closed except under certain conditions such as WOT

Sport

Much more responsive throttle

Exhaust valves open much more frequently

Sport +

Most responsive throttle

Exhaust valves open the most frequently and there are additional exhaust overrun "burbles"

More aggressive engine cooling strategy
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      04-10-2020, 04:13 AM   #101
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How do you know the car is warmed up?
I dont see a temperature gauge?
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      04-10-2020, 06:39 AM   #102
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How do you know the car is warmed up?
I dont see a temperature gauge?
Use the "BC" button at the end of the turn-signal stalk to scroll through the different items to be displayed on the bottom of the instrument cluster.
You'll get mpg/speedo/temp etc.
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      04-10-2020, 07:49 AM   #103
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Use the "BC" button at the end of the turn-signal stalk to scroll through the different items to be displayed on the bottom of the instrument cluster.
You'll get mpg/speedo/temp etc.
Its the second menu item (date is first) on the BC, and fortunately the car defaults to the last setting. This is what I want to see until the car is warm.
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HOWEVER it also makes the engine significantly less laggy in sport and sport+. Eco mode feels like an old-school turbocharged car. Floor it and there's a good second or two delay until the turbos spool. In Sport+ that delay is much smaller. I tend to not push the car in the corners too much in eco mode for this reason, i'm worried that if i put the car into MDM or TCS off mode and the turbo spooled mid corner, it could catch me out. Sport and Sport+ provide a much more linear power curve, despite their exaggerated throttle inputs.
Sport & Sport+ keep the turbos spooled. I like eco 90% of the time. Using Sport+ for commuting is as weird as wearing gym gear to the office. And just as awkward.
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M1: Comfort Steering / Sport Motor (daily)
M2: Comfort Steering / Sport+ Motor / MDM Mode (canyons)

Rarely do I use the Sport/Sport+ Steering. I find it overly weighted most times.

Side note: The exhaust pops are starting to bother me. (BMW, WHY DID YOU DO THIS?)
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M1: Comfort Steering / Sport Motor (daily)
M2: Comfort Steering / Sport+ Motor / MDM Mode (canyons)

Rarely do I use the Sport/Sport+ Steering. I find it overly weighted most times.

Side note: The exhaust pops are starting to bother me. (BMW, WHY DID YOU DO THIS?)
The pops are a bit stupid if you ask me. I'd rather have overall better sound and exhaust over the dumb pops too. I'm not some dumb 24 year old driving around (no offense to you 24 year olds)
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Its the second menu item (date is first) on the BC, and fortunately the car defaults to the last setting. This is what I want to see until the car is warm.
You can easily reduce the number of clicks to go through the OBC.

Untick most OBC info options in the iDrive settings menu = less scrolling through OBC info you're not interested in.
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M1 = Efficiency, comfort steering, MDM
M2 = Sport +, Sport steering, MDM

M1 everyday after warm up.
M2 when I want to play.
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You can easily reduce the number of clicks to go through the OBC.

Untick most OBC info options in the iDrive settings menu = less scrolling through OBC info you're not interested in.
THANK YOU! No more counting 6 clicks every time I switch between engine temp and speed!
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M1: Comfort Steering / Sport Motor (daily)
M2: Comfort Steering / Sport+ Motor / MDM Mode (canyons)

Rarely do I use the Sport/Sport+ Steering. I find it overly weighted most times.

Side note: The exhaust pops are starting to bother me. (BMW, WHY DID YOU DO THIS?)
The pops are a bit stupid if you ask me. I'd rather have overall better sound and exhaust over the dumb pops too. I'm not some dumb 24 year old driving around (no offense to you 24 year olds)
i'll get flamed, but I have multiple unpopular opinions about my car:

1) I love rev match (but also still enjoy doing it myself with DSC off)

2) I really don't mind ASD

3) I don't think the stereo sucks

4) I still love the pops :-)
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