[3.0L]

Of course.


Curb weight
noun
the weight of an automotive vehicle including fuel, coolant, and lubricants but excluding occupants and cargo.


It's simply a matter of comparing apples to apples or oranges to oranges. Vehicle weights should be compared by the same criteria: empty weight (no fuel, occupants or baggage) or curb weight.

[phoenixbmwlife]

Originally Posted by 3.0L

Of course.


Curb weight
noun
the weight of an automotive vehicle including fuel, coolant, and lubricants but excluding occupants and cargo.


It's simply a matter of comparing apples to apples or oranges to oranges. Vehicle weights should be compared by the same criteria: empty weight (no fuel, occupants or baggage) or curb weight.

Which weight did you quote for the M3/M4?

A claimed curb weight of 3595 pounds for the sedan with the seven-speed dual-clutch automatic; 3585 pounds for the coupe. You can have a six-speed manual, which also saves almost 90 pounds of overall weight. It’s rear-wheel drive with an electronically controlled limited-slip differential.

Read more: http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...#ixzz37H9yY3aJ

[3.0L]

Originally Posted by Bennu

Which weight did you quote for the M3/M4?

A claimed curb weight of 3595 pounds for the sedan with the seven-speed dual-clutch automatic; 3585 pounds for the coupe. You can have a six-speed manual, which also saves almost 90 pounds of overall weight. It’s rear-wheel drive with an electronically controlled limited-slip differential.

Read more: http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...#ixzz37H9yY3aJ

Curb weight. I got those figures from the August issue of Motor Trend. The article was entitled "The Legend Returns ... with Two Turbos and an Evil Twin."

It was a pretty extensive write-up on the 2015 M3 and 2015 M4.

[3.0L]

But back to my original point, I don't believe the M235i weighs more than the new M3/M4 as BE asserts.

As to the weight disparity between manual and automatic transmission options, it is only fair to compare the cars with the same transmission.

There have been other erroneous posts regarding the M235i such as a claim that the car is not available with the so-called "Halo" or "Corona" headlights. That statement was also untrue.

There seems to be some not-so-vailed animosity towards the new M235i on this forum, all from folks who own something else.

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by 3.0L

But back to my original point, I don't believe the M235i weighs more than the new M3/M4 as BE asserts.

As to the weight disparity between manual and automatic transmission options, it is only fair to compare the cars with the same transmission.

There have been other erroneous posts regarding the M235i such as a claim that the car is not available with the so-called "Halo" or "Corona" headlights. That statement was also untrue.

There seems to be some not-so-vailed animosity towards the new M235i on this forum, all from folks who own something else.

One other thought on the subject is that the M235i is now available without a sunroof, so weight comparisons with the F80/82 (most of which will hopefully be ordered without the sunroof thankfully) should also be made against an M235i without a sunroof. Kudos to BMWNA for making it an option on the M235i to not be forced to buy a car with a sunroof!

Perhaps its best to weigh an M4 with 6MT and carbon roof versus the M235i with 6MT and no sunroof both with full tanks.

[ska///235i]

Originally Posted by 3.0L

This is incorrect.

The new M235i weighs in at 3494 lbs. while the new M3 and M4 weigh in at 3590 lbs. and 3588 lbs. respectively.

What? The extra 2 doors only weight 2 more lbs ahahaha

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by CSBM5

It will come...guaranteed. Audi is going to eat up the small sedan market with the new A3/S3/RS3 and Mercedes with the CLA/AMG/etc; BMW will have to have a 4-door in this size car (i.e. smaller than an E39 5-series which is what the F30 essentially is).

Just look at the 1st month of sales for the new A3 (which didn't even have a full month on the market). Audi year over year sales of the A4 were up about 1% in April *plus* they sold almost as many of the new A3; hence, they almost doubled their market share in the small sedan category.

Following up my earlier guess that BMW has grossly underestimated the demand for a car smaller than the F30 (not price dependent), the results to date for the Audi A3 are stellar. There is clearly strong demand for a reasonably sized sedan (given the A4 is a large car now like the F30), so if the powers that be at BMW aren't burning the midnight oil to create a 2-series "grand coupe" and an M2 version, they will be soon.


Couple of links:

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/07/04/a...-toyota-sales/

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/07/10/a...-mercedes-cla/

[3.0L]

Originally Posted by ska///235i

What? The extra 2 doors only weight 2 more lbs ahahaha

Yeah, that caught my eye, too. Just double-checked Motor Trend's article and yes, only 2 pound difference between the 2-door and 4-door test cars. Perhaps there were some differences in options? Don't know...

[cwg]

According to the BMW USA web site. The M4 automatic curb weight is 3585 vs 3535 for the M235i. The m4 manual is 3530 vs 3505 for the M235i. So the weight is pretty close between the two cars. The M235i is 50 lbs lighter than the M4 for cars with automatics and 25 lbs lighter for manual trans.

The curb weight given for the 435i is 3635 for the auto and 3600 for the manual. The M4 is 105 or 70 lbs lighter than the 4.

If BMW can achieve similar weight reduction the M2 could get down in the mid 3400s. I don't expect anything more than that will be achieved.

[phoenixbmwlife]

Originally Posted by 3.0L

But back to my original point, I don't believe the M235i weighs more than the new M3/M4 as BE asserts.

As to the weight disparity between manual and automatic transmission options, it is only fair to compare the cars with the same transmission.

There have been other erroneous posts regarding the M235i such as a claim that the car is not available with the so-called "Halo" or "Corona" headlights. That statement was also untrue.

There seems to be some not-so-vailed animosity towards the new M235i on this forum, all from folks who own something else.

From the numbers I posted looks like the manual M235i vs the manual M4 is lighter. But not by much.
For all intents and purposes the weight is too close to call one more than the other as some will order options and that changes the weight. Some of us weight a buck some a buck fifty some two bucks lol

[3.0L]

Originally Posted by Bennu

From the numbers I posted looks like the manual M235i vs the manual M4 is lighter. But not by much.
For all intents and purposes the weight is too close to call one more than the other as some will order options and that changes the weight. Some of us weight a buck some a buck fifty some two bucks lol

Check your figures again. Following info straight from BMW USA website:

M235i automatic curb weight = 3535 lbs.
M235i manual curb weight = 3505 lbs.

M4 automatic curb weight = 3585 lbs.
M4 manual curb weight = 3530 lbs.

The M235i is lighter by 50 lbs. and 25 lbs. respectively, it seems.

But all said, I'm sure the M4's massive power will somehow overcome the additional weight

[Delnari]

The weight of the new M2 in it's lightest configuration will be my deciding factor. If the car comes in over 3300 lbs in the least optioned configuration I'm out. If Porsche comes out with the new 718 two seat roadster with 286/295 (HP/TQ) in 2016 weighing less than 2650 lbs for under $50K buy in, and the M2 doesn't match it in performance power-to-weight ratio then I will have to go with the better price/performance sports car.

I consider the torque number the more sporting number than the horsepower.

[phoenixbmwlife]

Originally Posted by Delnari

The weight of the new M2 in it's lightest configuration will be my deciding factor. If the car comes in over 3300 lbs in the least optioned configuration I'm out. If Porsche comes out with the new 718 two seat roadster with 286/295 (HP/TQ) in 2016 weighing less than 2650 lbs for under $50K buy in, and the M2 doesn't match it in performance power-to-weight ratio then I will have to go with the better price/performance sports car.

I consider the torque number the more sporting number than the horsepower.

I, like many people seriously don't think the M2 will be 3,300lbs. Realistically speaking I'm thinking 3400lbs at the very least. I hope I'm wrong.

Seems like you won't be getting the M2.

[3.0L]

Originally Posted by Delnari

I consider the torque number the more sporting number than the horsepower.

And I'll add to that, good torque beginning at low RPM's and flat torque curve right into the RPM range where the HP kicks in. This explains why I like the engine in the M235i so much.

[cwg]

Originally Posted by Bennu

I, like many people seriously don't think the M2 will be 3,300lbs. Realistically speaking I'm thinking 3400lbs at the very least. I hope I'm wrong.

Seems like you won't be getting the M2.

I agree - BMW was only able to shave 70lbs off of the Manual 435i to get to the weight of the M4. Even if BMW were to double that and shave 140lbs off of the 3505 weight of the M235i you are at 3365lbs. Where would the weight savings come from? lighter suspension parts, carbon fiber roof, other carbon fiber panels, less sound proofing? There is only so much they can do, given the basic configuration of the 2 series. For the M235i racing they were able to trim about 270lbs off the M235i according to this article:

http://www.europeancarweb.com/firstl...g_first_drive/


So they could get the weight down below 3300 probably into the 3200 range, but at some point the car would cost more than the M4. Some of us would say, I don't care I am willing to pay more for a superlight M2 than the cost of a bloated M4 but that's a small handful of customers.

My guess is M2 comes in between 3375lbs to 3425lbs for the Manual. Lighter suspension, carbon fiber roof I think they probably add up to about the 70lbs difference between the 435i and the M4. Doing much more than that will drive the cost up too close to the M4 for most people

[MpowerLex]

These will sell out fast, better start placing deposits!

[phoenixbmwlife]

Deposits are not needed. It's not going to be a limited production car.

[w3rkn]

Originally Posted by Bennu

Deposits are not needed. It's not going to be a limited production car.

The weight hasn't even been determined.. let-alone engine mods by M.

[Devon K]

While the carbon fiber roof may not make it over from the M3/4, the auto-blip rev-matching feature on the manual transmission should. Some "purists" might not like this but as long as you can toggle it on/off I say go for it BMW - it will help keep the manual option viable going forward, and it's needed to compete with the likes of everything from the Mini to the C7 that now have this.

[phoenixbmwlife]

Bottom line is whatever BMW decides to do this car will sell in large numbers, just like every other BMW. They usually do not do everything we want but in the end for most people they end up loving it.

[samsamdar]

Originally Posted by Aliyaaii22

Hi,
Of course, not making an M2 would have been a huge mistake by BMW AG. It's absurd that this is even a topic of discussion.

Bro brought back a 9 year old thread 😭