[pikcachu]

well the M235 racing edition uses the same ZF8.... you would think they would use a DCT if there was really and advantage....

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by pikcachu

well the M235 racing edition uses the same ZF8.... you would think they would use a DCT if there was really and advantage....

That new tranny just simply kills the manual in every way.

Even Chris Harris says it's fantastic.

[IZAGLO]

OK you win/ the Auto wins, the DCT wins....for speed and comfort...For a DD it's fine but in my household when the fun begins we use all 4 limbs to drive my cars...6 M/T will alway's rule for connectivity

[Transfer]

The new ZF8 in sport guise (M235i, SQ5, F-Type, Ghibli) isn't bad at all but it is not nearly as good as M-DCT, particularly on rapid downshifts.

[mweine]

Originally Posted by pikcachu

He is just trying to make you understand you what "holding boost" mean... and a few ms every time you shift and and you can easily rack a few seconds after some shifts....

in an auto if you are at 11psi on boost in 2nd gear when it switches to 3rd the boost never droops...and stays at 11psi

in the manual if you are at 11psi on boost in 2nd gear when you switch to 3rd and release the throttle you probably drop to 7 or 8 until you get back in the gas....

Involvement is totally subjective and you can prefer whichever you want....
But the auto will always be faster and more efficient than the manual and that's just a fact....

Days of manual transmission are already counted.... next M5 and M3/4 most likely won't offer it..... and even the auto trans days are counted too....10-15 years from now most cars will be electric with no gears...

Just take care of your current rides with MTs. We dont have to buy new vehicles that are only available with ATs.

[C ///M]

I don't understand this debate... Having a CHOICE is always best.

For many years, I always wondered if I'd ever steer away from a manual transmission in my car, until that choice was made for me and I lost the use of my left leg. Whatever your opinion, it'd be best if everyone understand there are situations drastically different from your own. Some people love a manual trans, but can't get it due to family, situation, physical disability, etc... And the people who prefer a manual and can get one, enjoy it.

For the guy who doubts that DCT will outsell Manual:
E9x M3 Final Production Numbers

Cliff's Notes:
M3 Pre-LCI
Manual:__14,627
DCT:____10,436______Manual +4,191

M3 LCI
Manual:__4,457
DCT:___20,246________DCT +15,789

E93 Production wasn't finished at the time of the above, but their comparison was:
Manual:__2,432
DCT:____5,429_________DCT +2,997

OVERALL: DCT +14,595

[Artemis]

Throwback:

2014:

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Ladies and gentlemen, here is the latest update -- get ready for BMW M2!
-- BMW M2, N55B30T0, manual and auto
* This tells us at least that an M2 has been tested, and with an upgraded N55 engine paired to both a manual and auto transmission.
* The homepage image used is a rendering only.

Originally Posted by Mr. Nice

n55
Stuff the s55 in and reduce the power

2018: M2 Competition

[Macphisto]

The excitement around the rumored M2 was palpable. I was giddy as a school boy. Personally, the M2C is meh. Jaded?

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=983041

[Fear-Mongrel]

It's interesting to look back and read all of that now. Last year when I joined the forum I was coming out of a long 10+ year automotive hibernation, getting to know BMW again, but never saw this thread and all the negativity around the N55. So I wasn't influenced by any of that. All I saw was 370hp, 60mph in under 5 seconds, countless YouTube videos with guys thrashing M2's around tracks all over the world, and I knew the N55 had won Ward's Best Engines 3 years in a row and I figured what more could I need? If I had seen this thread, would I have bought into the idea of M cars having S engines but not N engines and been influenced, and would I have shifted course? Hard to know. I don't know that one could call the naysayers wrong, because it's all subjective, and opinions are opinions. Now that production of that car has ended and the dust has settled, the only objective way to judge is the sales data and I'm sure BMW would say it all worked out nicely. For me personally, I can only say that I'd rather have this than not have this...

[Glounk]

Keep, wait and see....

[qnet]

Originally Posted by afwares

It's interesting to look back and read all of that now. Last year when I joined the forum I was coming out of a long 10+ year automotive hibernation, getting to know BMW again, but never saw this thread and all the negativity around the N55. So I wasn't influenced by any of that. All I saw was 370hp, 60mph in under 5 seconds, countless YouTube videos with guys thrashing M2's around tracks all over the world, and I knew the N55 had won Ward's Best Engines 3 years in a row and I figured what more could I need? If I had seen this thread, would I have bought into the idea of M cars having S engines but not N engines and been influenced, and would I have shifted course? Hard to know. I don't know that one could call the naysayers wrong, because it's all subjective, and opinions are opinions. Now that production of that car has ended and the dust has settled, the only objective way to judge is the sales data and I'm sure BMW would say it all worked out nicely. For me personally, I can only say that I'd rather have this than not have this...

100% This.

I was in pretty much the same position as you. I had a big hiatus from the car scene for several years. I had my E36 M3 that stayed garaged and my work/business car. I was heavy into the car scene back when I first got my 95 M3, but got into other things and life just went on. I had that car for 13 years. It's funny reading this thread because it may have influenced me also. I didn't get back into cars until 2014 and had went a whole other direction with an Evo X. I was so caught up with that car and didn't follow anything about BMW, until I started hearing whispers of an M2. I knew about the M3/M4 from watching Youtube videos, mainly from Nick Murray and Matt Moreman of Obsessed Garage.

A member from one of the the Evo X forums traded his Evo in for a M235i Xdrive. This is where I learned more of the 2 series, while still hearing whispers on that forum about an M2. The old BMW forum that I used to visit was pretty dead and didn't talk much about the newer BMW's. I came across this forum and when I saw pictures of the M2 when it was announced, I thought to myself " wow, this is the car I should have got". By that time however, I was already late to the party as far as getting an allocation, at least that's what I thought at the time. Knowing what I know now, I realize I wasn't that late and could have got one, maybe not as soon as some, but much sooner than I eventually did.