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Comparing apple to oranges. The guy got a $1600 and is halfway to getting banned from driving (6 out of a maximum of 12 points on his license).
If you had any knowledge or contact with the former 6 Series, you would know what the new 8 series is all about. Nothing less than a GT car. In that price range, if I would want something "sporty", I would get a 911. To be honest, over here in Europe, I have no idea who would buy one new (not leasing it as a company car) over a 911 or at all. Regarding performance, zeperfs.com has the numbers: http://www.zeperfs.com/en/duel7280-7982.htm M8 is ~5s faster on two tracks, has done a 7:21 at Nürburgring (compared to 7:50 for the M2 Competition). Please stop referring to M2 as light or agile. It weighs more than my M3 CS and has less mechanical grip than the Z4/Supra. I agree, it is a very nice starting point for a project/track car. |
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Well, the M2C is certainly light compared to the M8C. The M2C is 229 pounds lighter than a Mustang GT PP2. The weight difference between my car and yours could be made up by nothing more than the weight of the human driving it (no idea what your weight is, of course). Your car with my 4th largest friend in it vs. my car with me in it is about a wash. Your M3 CS is 500+ pounds heavier than a 1995 Integra GS-R, so if that's all that matters, I'm sure we can find a used one for you for cheap.
Yes, Americans can be hefty and I'm not...just to head off that comment. Cars are heavy nowadays. It's bizarre that folk want to pick on one heavy car and ignore everything else. Civics are absolutely monstrous compared to what they were in '95. If we all want to go after a car for being heavy, let's attack all the heavy cars instead of trying to use weight to nail just one of them. |
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Don't get me wrong, people still hated on that car all the time (it's old, it's ugly, it's not that fast etc) but people...just kinda stopped talking about its weight. Now 3300lbs is in the realm of "pretty good." I strongly suspect that five years from now, when people lob insults at the F87 M2C, they won't be mentioning it's weight as 3600 lbs will inevitably go from "a little heavy" to "below average" |
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So much misinfo from 'purists' out there. M8 is big but it's not a GT car. If M8 is a GT car than the M2 is an economy car. Any thing with M is set up for the track period. Nobody wants a stiff harsh ride of a competition pack over bumpy roads.
I've driven both, but I just want to remind everyone: M2 is one generation behind the M8 M2 is an afterthought and has too much steel M2 weighs as much as an M4 but is still slower M2 has a cheap interior M2 of the next generation will not have a DCT M2 will hopefully be set up to shed weight like an M4 and M8 can Vs the regular M2 will get a power bump Comparing the current M2 to the current M8 is not fair. The next M2 will gain In some areas and lose in others. For me? It's the M8 no questions asked. Proper sports car with power and race wins. M2 was an afterthought; I'll wait for the next gen and hopefully BmW will take it seriously |
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So yeah. I'd consider the M8 a GT. It weighs 4300Lbs, it has an absurdly nice interior and is long, wide and generally imposing looking. If it were a sports car, it wouldn't weigh 700 lbs more than a car that "weighs as much as an M4 but is still slower." If it were a sports car, it would be tiny on the outside, not just the inside. Then again, what constitutes "sports car" "GT car" "Sports coupe" etc... is highly subjective, so i'm not going to sit here and say you're wrong, just that I disagree with you. One last thing i'd like to point out: being an afterthought by no means makes a car bad. Literally every homologation special is an afterthought. People designed the race car and then were forced to build production versions of that car, that's conceptually the very definition of an afterthought. "Afterthoughts" are often places where designers can hide from the bean counters who normally have a huge say in what goes into a vehicle. The Competition version of the M2 was even like an afterthought of an afterthought "we can't sell it with the N55 anymore so....I dunno...stick the M4 engine in there I guess." Anyway. They're both good cars, but it's fundamentally a ludicrous comparison. The M8 is twice as expensive. If you have enough money where price is not a factor, you're not considering either of these cars. Last edited by Moflow; 02-18-2020 at 12:56 AM.. |
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So yes, I love my M2C as a DD. And perhaps someone with an M8C or M5C thinks I can't afford one. I really don't care. And, BTW, I must have a manual transmission. Such a luxury these days...
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@KevinM Ditto on your comments. I can spend the money on M8C, M5C, M4xx but their length is way to long. M2C is a better size and packs a lot of fun.
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Just recently sold an M5C after 1 year of ownership but keep the M2C + 991.2 GT3.
For me the M8 has no fun at all. Heavy GT with nice interrior and that is it. |
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I was parked next to an E46 Sedan at Costco yesterday. It's striking how much my car just looks like an updated coupe-version of that car vs. the G20 330 that was in the next row. Again, same with the current Civic. Put it next to an Accord from the late 90's and you'd get the same effect.
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But I do mean In the vague sense of the term. The M8 does have a bunch of carbon fiber borrowed from the 7 series, massive brakes, adjustable brake bias, proper suspension set up for the Nurburgring Grand Prix Strecke, shares an engine with the 2x Daytona 24 hour winning version of the same car. By comparison the 2 series was never designed to be 'M' ready. They thought the M235i would top the 2 series. Why? Because the 2 series is an economy line. In Germany it competes with a 2 door Yaris. It doesn't make much money. They thus filled the chassis with steel to reduce overhead and increase profitability. When the US of A guys were begging for it they eventually relented and did a suspension tune and gave you a marked up 2 series. The Competition saw retuned suspension and the S55 engine, detuned. M2 is fun but it really really is a bad M car. It's not light weight. It's not powerful, it's not got a real race car. Next time they will do better since M2 is a success. Or maybe they won't see a need to do better since everyone praises that fat pig and it's cheap to make. |
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The M850i was certainly comfortable when I drove it. Sounds like you are just biased in favor of the 8 series, which is the very definition of a GT car, btw. |
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If they were the same price I'd still take the M2C. Not Joe's though as he's stuffed it up with the springs, exhaust and assorted tackiness. But each to their own.
The fact that the M2C is 30% of the price is fascinating. It's just a different market. Luxury appliance buyer versus someone that gets joy from driving. |
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The M5 is a sick car, fast as hell....but the sound, the tranny and the weight all kinda killed it for me after a while. My 6MT M2C checks all the boxes (for me) at this point in my life (semi-retired, no commute). It makes no sense to generalize, as everyone has different wants and needs. Just because the M5 costs twice as much, and is faster in a strait line doesn't make it a better all around car for everyone. And yes, I know we are talking about the M8 vs M2 in this thread...but Joe brought up the M5 comparison, and the 30k delta is not that crazy once you go over 6 figures, IMO. |
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