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      10-30-2019, 07:07 AM   #23
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Guys I have great news,

I spoke to Eventuri and they're aware of this issue and they will release a fresh air solution for the M2 competition in the near future!!

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Guys I have great news,

I spoke to Eventuri and they're aware of this issue and they confirmed that they'll be working on a cold air solution for the M2 competition in the near future!!
That's good news. I wonder how/if they're going to find a solution that gets around people having to cut into their cars. Most of these aftermarket parts companies tend to sell 100% reversible installs (ie so called plug and play).
FWIW the RW Carbon scoops are pretty much a lower cost version of the Eventuri F8X scoops. I used the Eventuri install manual to get an idea on how to fit the RW scoops (no documentation came from RW).
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I wonder if the CS will have revised ducting...
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      10-30-2019, 12:41 PM   #26
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Nice find, I concur that the lack of an outside air snorkel vent is another cost-cutting measure to avoid fabricating an appropriate piece for the M2C.

Glad that someone actually figured this out and even a makeshift solution.
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Nice find, I concur that the lack of an outside air snorkel vent is another cost-cutting measure to avoid fabricating an appropriate piece for the M2C.

Glad that someone actually figured this out and even a makeshift solution.
What is your avatar dude? Just curious lol

Edit googled it; itchy and scratchy dog guy. haha
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Nice find, I concur that the lack of an outside air snorkel vent is another cost-cutting measure to avoid fabricating an appropriate piece for the M2C.

Glad that someone actually figured this out and even a makeshift solution.
What is your avatar dude? Just curious lol
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      11-02-2019, 12:54 PM   #29
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Not to beat this post to death but... I was looking at the Dinan tune as it seems to be the easiest to get installed locally (when it comes out Nov 12th) and they mention how quickly the tuned cars get heat soaked such that the hotter tuneups require their heat exchanger....

Well...

Maybe that because there really isn't any cold air coming into the intake to begin with! They should retest after re-plumbing the intake snorkels to draw clean cold air in from the front grill
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They should retest after re-plumbing the intake snorkels to draw clean cold air in from the front grill
I was thinking the same thing, however, just like BMW, Dinan did not go back to the drawing board and designed a new intake, they just relabeled the same M4 version.

Had they built it from scratch, I believe they would of probably caught on to this and hatched up a solution.

I'm pretty sure only BMW and the few of us reading this thread are the only ones who are aware of this perceived design flaw or even care.
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perceived design flaw or even care.
I think this is the major thing ppl are overlooking.

The OEM chargecooler is a beast. I cannot imagine the light IAT increase makes that big a diff post turbos and cooler.


@malakas you sure its not the OG M2 with the issues? S55 is pretty well cooled.
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Not to beat this post to death but... I was looking at the Dinan tune as it seems to be the easiest to get installed locally (when it comes out Nov 12th) and they mention how quickly the tuned cars get heat soaked such that the hotter tuneups require their heat exchanger....

Well...

Maybe that because there really isn't any cold air coming into the intake to begin with! They should retest after re-plumbing the intake snorkels to draw clean cold air in from the front grill
I tracked my car so far 9 times and some of those were on 100+F weather this summer. I was running the BM3 CS+ map and my oil temp never exceeded 230F. In other words, never even got close to experiencing any sort of heat soak on this car.
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I tracked my car so far 9 times and some of those were on 100+F weather this summer. I was running the BM3 CS+ map and my oil temp never exceeded 230F. In other words, never even got close to experiencing any sort of heat soak on this car.
You're probably right, and I haven't seen any posts from owners on the M3/M4, or our boards complaining about heat soak at HPDE's or TT"s.

OTOH unless you're monitoring all the engines data you have no idea if its pulling a little timing, dialing back boost a little, etc. Oil temps are only 1 part of the equation.
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I tracked my car so far 9 times and some of those were on 100+F weather this summer. I was running the BM3 CS+ map and my oil temp never exceeded 230F. In other words, never even got close to experiencing any sort of heat soak on this car.
You're probably right, and I haven't seen any posts from owners on the M3/M4, or our boards complaining about heat soak at HPDE's or TT"s.

OTOH unless you're monitoring all the engines data you have no idea if its pulling a little timing, dialing back boost a little, etc. Oil temps are only 1 part of the equation.
Yes, I logged the car in those hot days via BM3 logging feature (my AIM Solo2DL also monitors some engine data as well). Water temp, oil temp, cylinder timing, boost etc... Not a single red flag. Since I live in California and we have some of the shittiest gast here, I just make sure to mix a few gallons of 100oct with 91oct to get 93oct at the track (to prevent any timing pull or knock).
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...I just make sure to mix a few gallons of 100oct with 91oct to get 93oct at the track (to prevent any timing pull or knock).
That's smart, I usually do the same. Im glad to hear it held up to the track abuse at those temperatures. I live in Texas, so hot weather tracking is a part of life.

I just don't understand where the intakes are supposed to be drawing air from except from around the engine bay... the snorkel terminates in a dead section of plastic...
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Yes, I logged the car in those hot days via BM3 logging feature (my AIM Solo2DL also monitors some engine data as well). Water temp, oil temp, cylinder timing, boost etc... Not a single red flag. Since I live in California and we have some of the shittiest gast here, I just make sure to mix a few gallons of 100oct with 91oct to get 93oct at the track (to prevent any timing pull or knock).
I've got a AIM SOLO DL as well. Thats great to hear...

I chased heat soak in my EVO X for many years its great to see the S55 has great cooling both oil, water and the Air to Water IC.....
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...I just make sure to mix a few gallons of 100oct with 91oct to get 93oct at the track (to prevent any timing pull or knock).



I just don't understand where the intakes are supposed to be drawing air from except from around the engine bay... the snorkel terminates in a dead section of plastic...
Exactly!

It's just sucking up hot air from around the engine bay. No new feed of fresh, dense oxygen.

I'm sure it works for the most part but it's an asinine intake setup, considering this is a higher performing vehicle and was obviously offered in the M4 for some reason.
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Yes, I logged the car in those hot days via BM3 logging feature (my AIM Solo2DL also monitors some engine data as well). Water temp, oil temp, cylinder timing, boost etc... Not a single red flag. Since I live in California and we have some of the shittiest gast here, I just make sure to mix a few gallons of 100oct with 91oct to get 93oct at the track (to prevent any timing pull or knock).
Same I have tracked my M2C 4 times now (all be it on cool days) and no loss of power was felt.

Even Dinan's blurb for their rad supports how good the OEM unit is.

Consistent +10 HP / +20 ft-lb of torque on the stock engine tune. Additional gains realized when used in conjunction with the Stage 3 DINANTRONICS Performance Tuner (where applicable).


wow a whole 10hp gain! That's totally not in the range of a measurement error lol.
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I'd be interested in a well made solution...regardless of the fact that it's fine without, I'd like it to have access to fresher/cooler air even if it nets an almost negligable improvement.
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I'd be interested in a well made solution...regardless of the fact that it's fine without, I'd like it to have access to fresher/cooler air even if it nets an almost negligable improvement.
Our only option is to wait for Eventuri to release their solution to this.
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I'd be interested in a well made solution...regardless of the fact that it's fine without, I'd like it to have access to fresher/cooler air even if it nets an almost negligable improvement.
Our only option is to wait for Eventuri to release their solution to this.
Or someone could get creative with a 3D printer and the M4 OE pieces
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Or someone could get creative with a 3D printer and the M4 OE pieces
Im going to try and take some hose and then cut a circular hole in the plastic.... should be able to funnel the air into that area pretty simply. Although maybe its a good time to buy a 3D Printer! LOL
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Or someone could get creative with a 3D printer and the M4 OE pieces
It is possible but you would need a 3D scanner to scan the whole area in order to model ducts on a 3D software to 3D print the parts.
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I guess now we know why the M2CS race car has openings under the headlights...

I'm 100% sure they are channeling fresh air to the intakes!!!
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