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Besides the gearing, the one thing that you could (sort of ) knock the 981 GT4 for was the lack of a true GT-spec engine. It was the 991.1 CS engine...which is obviously good, but not the 8800+ revving monster we have seen in the various forms of the GT3 lately. Although Porsche might keep that in their back pocket for the GT4-RS. That's going to be a lot of fun to watch. EDIT - I look at the 981 GT4 as a very similar exercise as the 1M was for BMW. I think they wanted to test the market, and so while the 981 GT4 has tons of upgrades over a 981 GTS, Porsche didn't go to the level of giving it a GT-spec engine. Now that they know people really will buy a GT-level Cayman, we might see them sprinkle more magic into the 718 version.
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Yeah If I were a buyer in this 80K+ price range then I'd consider other options too. "Civic" M2 at msrp offers a tremendous value, but CS and GTS models- not so much. I'd probably look into other cars at this price point. For not much more, you can get a base 911, which was built as a sports car from the beginning.
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Well in Europe at least in the last 6 months the GT4 price came down by 10k EUR from 105-115k to 95-105k and you can get one for 90k that has 10-15k kms done. There are ~150 of them on mobile.de itself and some sitting for a long time there.
With the 12 year warranty that Porsche offers it's one of the best deals you can make on the used market. When more info comes on the 718 GT4 they should go even lower to 85-95k next year. I want one just waiting for them to announce the next version so I can grab one as 3rd car for as low as possible. |
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I really like the analogy to the 1M
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They are definitely fantastic cars and the only car I would potentially trade the 1M for is a GT4... definitely not a stock M2... I might offer a dealer to trade me a CS even up... : Actually .. as a 1M owner .. im sitting at the table holding my cards until the M2 CS or GTS is announced with a manual ... If they don't have 6MT I will fold my hand. An M2 GTS with a 6 MT .. I would be all in. Your move BMW |
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Is it going to be as track oriented as the M4 CS (canvas strap door handles, manual seats, etc) or just an improved M2 version a la M4 ZCP?
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Good point. It could come with light weight options like manual 2 series seats instead of the motorized ones. That's going to cost us an extra $10k right there.
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Umm, how many people here that have driven serious cars before the M2 are impressws w the M2? I drove a tuned 135 w suspension mods and walked extremely disappointed from a base M2... the M3 was another level.
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Wow, this thread has been a great read and I really can't wait to see the M2 CS / GTS!
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Will you be able to order the M2 CS in an Individual color? Anybody know?
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But if it's of use to some the UK dealers do indeed have quite a bit of 17 stock they are discounting. My local for example (after the set of cars from which I bought a month ago) had another 5 cars come in, 4 still available. All this has me optimistic they might get quite some CS and GTS allocations come the day https://www.halliwelljones.co.uk/bmw...cbpf=.m-models
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If the 718 GT4 doesn't get a detuned 4.0L...what does it get? The whole point, according to Porsche, of going to a F4 in the 718/718S was because the 991.2 CS engine with turbos would not physically fit in the 718 body. So what engine would go in there, especially if the GT cars are really going to remain NA like one of the Porsche bosses said last year? I know from my time on Planet 9 that many people put turbos on their NA 981 engines...so the "not fitting" has always been a bullshit excuse to me. They went F4 to keep the 911 a safe distance ahead, from a performance standpoint. Again with the neutering of the Cayman, because it would most likely outshine a rear-engined 911 if the power happened to be the same...You want a F6 in your Porsche now? You gotta spend 100K+... So...do they make some crazy powerful F4 to use the in the 718 GT4? That flies in contradiction to what the Porsche bosses said... Maybe the civic GT4 () gets a detuned 3.8L from the 991.1 GT3 and the GT4-RS gets the 4.0...or they don't make both cars...
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What was it exactly that disappointed you the most? I had a tuned F80 so that will be my baseline for comparison but it was DCT so I got bored pretty quickly. I have a deposit down for a base M2 6mt so I'm curious to know your thoughts.. I've not driven a 2 series of any kind including the M2.. never a 1 series either but I did have a e92 335i back in the day lol
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However, they're boring and basic bmw seats (blue stitching is like adding stickers to a car, it provides zero performance value). It makes sense due to the price of the "base/ordinary" M2. But to roll out with an M2 that is in the M3/4 price point, it better have bespoke bucketed seats, the carbon fiber engine bay brace, and those M buttons on the steering wheel in addition to the s55. It would seem to be plug n play parts off the M4. Otherwise, wouldn't it make more sense to get an M3/4? (preference in chassis aside)
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i see a lot of people running with the 80k price...do people think this is reasonable? Sounds like a huge markup over a base M2..if accurate i cannot afford that in my budget. got other things i need to buy lol, can't live in my M2 CS
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