Buying M2 Competition - Help Decide DCT or 6M

JCZ5 · 12-08-2019, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by akkando

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Originally Posted by JCZ5

I would get the manual. There will be fewer and fewer manual options to come in the future. Sure, the new M3/4 will have a manual, but it's large.

I think this M2C is designed as a Manila, if you wanted an automatic, I would just go for the regular M235i

The new m2 will also have manual

Sure, but the OP wants to buy one now.

What I'm saying is look at the market, the amount of manuals have decreased significantly. Sure there will always be some options, but it's a dying breed.

mr_lab_rat · 12-08-2019, 02:42 PM

Based on what you described in the OP I'd say manual.

Yes, the DCT has an extra gear (the 6th gear in both is the same). I wouldn't worry about the highway driving, the engine really doesn't care if it spins at 2000 or 3000 and the noise is similar.

Davil · 12-09-2019, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by FrozenB7

Years from now when everything is an EV, people will long for the learning curve that clutch pedals give to sports cars. .

Learning curve.

Davil · 12-09-2019, 01:23 AM

Can you please elaborate on what you said about 'hybrid manual'?

Blips throttle for you. Has hideous rev hang. Does hill starts for you (I'm not joking), crawls along in traffic.

If you really want a manual car, get an older car. The whole experience then gels together beautifully.

Note: I do still also own an older manual car which I enjoy. This sort of puts me off the manual in the M2 as it's so diluted and doesn't fit the character of the car at all. The DCT is an absolute joy.

smknjoe · 12-09-2019, 01:56 AM

Interesting.

I agree with the rev matching, but I haven't experienced the other points you made.

Was this in the M2 or M2C?

SEAT TIME RULES · 12-09-2019, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Davil

Can you please elaborate on what you said about 'hybrid manual'?

Blips throttle for you. Has hideous rev hang. Does hill starts for you (I'm not joking), crawls along in traffic.

If you really want a manual car, get an older car. The whole experience then gels together beautifully.

Note: I do still also own an older manual car which I enjoy. This sort of puts me off the manual in the M2 as it's so diluted and doesn't fit the character of the car at all. The DCT is an absolute joy.

I've coded out the rev match feature on my 2020 manual. With my Auto Solutions SSK and UCP the shifting experience is this car is better than any M car I've owned or driven in the last 25 years. As I earlier stated I'm done with DCT's. Tried to drive one daily and it got old fast. Now back all 4 of our cars being manuals again!

goku7 · 12-09-2019, 09:34 AM

Whoah I don't know who's saying DCT is rubbish but this is my first and I like it. I come from a decade of racing motorcycles in local clubs and we put some much tech in them like quick shifter and auto blipper to make the clutch go away that DCT gets a nice welcome from me. M2 manual feels rubbery but more engaging for sure.

///Driver · 12-09-2019, 02:13 PM

UPDATE

I have contacted 2 dealers, who spoke with BMW Australia- No manual transmission M2C to test drive in my state (Vic). In fact, there is only one manual demo car in the whole country.

How is BMW expecting customers to buy a car without test driving? Not sure I'm prepared to buy a car without testing the transmission, as much as the car itself.

JCZ5 · 12-09-2019, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Hithere

UPDATE

I have contacted 2 dealers, who spoke with BMW Australia- No manual transmission M2C to test drive in my state (Vic). In fact, there is only one manual demo car in the whole country.

How is BMW expecting customers to buy a car without test driving? Not sure I'm prepared to buy a car without testing the transmission, as much as the car itself.

Ask any supercar owner if they have test driven their cars lol. I hear you, but honestly the M2C is a very niche vehicle and from what I understand, not a heavily mover in Australia.

Even in the US, for awhile it was very hard to find manual M2C. And even if you did, very seldom were you allowed to test drive one.

Maybe you can find another 2 series with a stick? Not 100% comparable, but you get the idea.

smknjoe · 12-09-2019, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Hithere

UPDATE

I have contacted 2 dealers, who spoke with BMW Australia- No manual transmission M2C to test drive in my state (Vic). In fact, there is only one manual demo car in the whole country.

How is BMW expecting customers to buy a car without test driving? Not sure I'm prepared to buy a car without testing the transmission, as much as the car itself.

That doesn't surprise me. I had to either order one, site unseen, or travel 1000+ miles to test drive a used one.

I live in Houston; 4th largest city in the US.

These cars are not easy to find in manual. Seems like most are custom ordered. Dealers are only stocking what they know will sell, DCT.

goku7 · 12-09-2019, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JCZ5

Sure, but the OP wants to buy one now.

What I'm saying is look at the market, the amount of manuals have decreased significantly. Sure there will always be some options, but it's a dying breed.

I think what akkando is saying is the future generations of the m2/m3 will also have manual. but this is the last of the DCT's and the M235i automatic is not the same as a M-DCT

akkando · 12-09-2019, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Hithere

UPDATE

I have contacted 2 dealers, who spoke with BMW Australia- No manual transmission M2C to test drive in my state (Vic). In fact, there is only one manual demo car in the whole country.

How is BMW expecting customers to buy a car without test driving? Not sure I'm prepared to buy a car without testing the transmission, as much as the car itself.

The transmission should be the same as the M3/4. Might even be the same as what they put in the standard 2/3/4 series cars as well. Maybe you can find one of those to try.

JCZ5 · 12-09-2019, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by goku7

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Originally Posted by JCZ5

Sure, but the OP wants to buy one now.

What I'm saying is look at the market, the amount of manuals have decreased significantly. Sure there will always be some options, but it's a dying breed.

I think what akkando is saying is the future generations of the m2/m3 will also have manual. but this is the last of the DCT's and the M235i automatic is not the same as a M-DCT

Ahhh yes, that makes sense. Apologies for the confusion.

However, I feel DCT/Autos are getting faster and faster each lifecycle. Remember when everyone thought the SMGs were vastly superior in its shifting capabilities. Sure this generation of DCTs are truly special. But at least with manuals, it has the timelessness factor.

Regardless which transmission the OP chooses, it's gonna be a lot of fun!

Picoschu · 12-09-2019, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Davil

Can you please elaborate on what you said about 'hybrid manual'?

Blips throttle for you. Has hideous rev hang. Does hill starts for you (I'm not joking), crawls along in traffic.

If you really want a manual car, get an older car. The whole experience then gels together beautifully.

Note: I do still also own an older manual car which I enjoy. This sort of puts me off the manual in the M2 as it's so diluted and doesn't fit the character of the car at all. The DCT is an absolute joy.

Very nicely put. It's like having a modern home but still use a rotary dial phone, or washing your clothes by hand.

FrozenB7 · 12-09-2019, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Davil

Learning curve.

It usually takes me a couple weeks with a new manual car before I can get the absolute most out of it on road or track. For me, it’s a really cool ‘bonding’ experience. That may not be the case for you and you’re likely a much better driver than me.

smknjoe · 12-09-2019, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by FrozenB7

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Originally Posted by Davil

Learning curve.

It usually takes me a couple weeks with a new manual car before I can get the absolute most out of it on road or track. For me, it’s a really cool ‘bonding’ experience. That may not be the case for you and you’re likely a much better driver than me.

Definitely a learning curve for experienced manual drivers and noobs.

I know people that have been driving manual "their whole lives" that don't know how to downshift properly, let alone heal toe. Driving manual takes more skill than auto. It's more rewarding too.

BimmerNooob · 12-09-2019, 07:36 PM

6MT all the way!

Although I took delivery of one last night..woke up this morning and have a CEL already...

Karmic Man · 12-09-2019, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Hithere

UPDATE

I have contacted 2 dealers, who spoke with BMW Australia- No manual transmission M2C to test drive in my state (Vic). In fact, there is only one manual demo car in the whole country.

How is BMW expecting customers to buy a car without test driving? Not sure I'm prepared to buy a car without testing the transmission, as much as the car itself.

Go and test drive a manual 1M, M2, M3 or M4 to get a feel of the transmission. They are all very similar.

This 6MT is great, not rifle bolt like on the NSX, S2000 or ITR but still very nice.

smknjoe · 12-09-2019, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BimmerNooob

6MT all the way!

Although I took delivery of one last night..woke up this morning and have a CEL already...

Parking sensors stopped working on day 2. That was 4 months ago and I still haven't taken it to the dealer. Don't want to be without the car for a week!

///Driver · 12-10-2019, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by akkando

The transmission should be the same as the M3/4. Might even be the same as what they put in the standard 2/3/4 series cars as well. Maybe you can find one of those to try.

That is a great idea. I might look up the specs and their gear ratios.

///Driver · 12-10-2019, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Davil

Blips throttle for you. Has hideous rev hang. Does hill starts for you (I'm not joking), crawls along in traffic.

Thank you Davil for taking the time to list the features. I had no idea M2C 6MT had so many features.

///Driver · 12-10-2019, 07:29 AM

I haven't counted but, good portion of you (kind members who replied to my OP) seem to be driving a manual. Maybe even 70% or 80% (guess)... do you think you are more vocal than DCT owners OR are there that many more 6MT drivers on this forum? Just curious.

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mr_lab_rat Major 564 Rep 1,092 Posts Drives: 2017 M2, 2018 X1 Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Vancouver iTrader: (0)	Based on what you described in the OP I'd say manual. Yes, the DCT has an extra gear (the 6th gear in both is the same). I wouldn't worry about the highway driving, the engine really doesn't care if it spins at 2000 or 3000 and the noise is similar.
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Davil Brigadier General 6511 Rep 3,069 Posts Drives: M2 CS, 18 Vantage AMR, 00 WRX Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Australia iTrader: (0) Garage List 2018 Aston Martin V ... [8.33] 2021 BMW M2 CS F87 [9.87] 2000 Subaru WRX GC8 [7.75]	Can you please elaborate on what you said about 'hybrid manual'? Blips throttle for you. Has hideous rev hang. Does hill starts for you (I'm not joking), crawls along in traffic. If you really want a manual car, get an older car. The whole experience then gels together beautifully. Note: I do still also own an older manual car which I enjoy. This sort of puts me off the manual in the M2 as it's so diluted and doesn't fit the character of the car at all. The DCT is an absolute joy.
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smknjoe First Lieutenant 234 Rep 330 Posts Drives: 2020 M2C, 2018 GTI, 2007 Rabbi Join Date: May 2019 Location: Houston iTrader: (0)	Interesting. I agree with the rev matching, but I haven't experienced the other points you made. Was this in the M2 or M2C?
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goku7 Second Lieutenant 173 Rep 245 Posts Drives: 2020 BMW M2C ED 08/2019 Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Bay Area, CA iTrader: (0)	Whoah I don't know who's saying DCT is rubbish but this is my first and I like it. I come from a decade of racing motorcycles in local clubs and we put some much tech in them like quick shifter and auto blipper to make the clutch go away that DCT gets a nice welcome from me. M2 manual feels rubbery but more engaging for sure.
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///Driver Private First Class 60 Rep 121 Posts Drives: M2C Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Australia iTrader: (0)	UPDATE I have contacted 2 dealers, who spoke with BMW Australia- No manual transmission M2C to test drive in my state (Vic). In fact, there is only one manual demo car in the whole country. How is BMW expecting customers to buy a car without test driving? Not sure I'm prepared to buy a car without testing the transmission, as much as the car itself.
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BimmerNooob New Member 18 Rep 26 Posts Drives: BMW M2C Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Northern Virginia iTrader: (0)	6MT all the way! Although I took delivery of one last night..woke up this morning and have a CEL already...
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///Driver Private First Class 60 Rep 121 Posts Drives: M2C Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Australia iTrader: (0)	I haven't counted but, good portion of you (kind members who replied to my OP) seem to be driving a manual. Maybe even 70% or 80% (guess)... do you think you are more vocal than DCT owners OR are there that many more 6MT drivers on this forum? Just curious.
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