[243Racing]

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Has anybody tried this?

https://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-5...ftware/?pdk=AQ

[AmuroRay]

Yeah, someone on the M235/F30 side did try the turner stuff, and made about 380whp on a catted down pipe.

This dyno was probably done on a dynapack, which are better for tuning but read higher than dynojets. I don’t think 400whp is reasonable to expect with an OTS tune.

[243Racing]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Yeah, someone on the M235/F30 side did try the turner stuff, and made about 380whp on a catted down pipe.

This dyno was probably done on a dynapack, which are better for tuning but read higher than dynojets. I don’t think 400whp is reasonable to expect with an OTS tune.

I seriously doubt their peak numbers, just wondering if the tune itself is any good.

380 would make me a pretty happy camper.

[VisualEcho]

Says Stage 3. Wonder what that entails from Turner. Not really familiar with it, but it usually means an upgraded turbo and HPFPR.

[243Racing]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

Says Stage 3. Wonder what that entails from Turner. Not really familiar with it, but it usually means an upgraded turbo and HPFPR.

Mods are listed there right after where it said “stage 3”

HFC, IC, intake & MPE

[AmuroRay]

https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1653845

Turner Stage 2 - intake, Intercooler, and exhaust.

358whp STD

https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1681206

Turner stage 3 with high flow catalyst

372whp STD

Just one thing to note - not huge numbers, but look how the well the power band holds from 5500rpm to 6500rpm. This matters more to me than absolute big numbers and huge amounts of (useless) torque.

[AmuroRay]

M2 tune vs BM3 Stage 1

Spoiler, the stock M2 tune makes more power and has more high end power.

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1610213

Stock 352whp STD
BM3 Stage 1 329whp STD


Comparison of the M2 tune vs BM3 Stage 1

https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1616837

Stage 1 300whp
M2 (BM3) 312whp

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by BeastieBombRacing

Mods are listed there right after where it said “stage 3”

HFC, IC, intake & MPE

That's not stage 3...

[AmuroRay]

I found a few more dyno - the basic trend was the standard M2 tune is almost as hot as you can go on the stock cat.

You could probably still do the same mods FBO guys do, like inlets (currently being tested by some guys on the F30post) intakes and intercooler. They are going to make the far more power and make it consistently.

[243Racing]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

I found a few more dyno - the basic trend was the standard M2 tune is almost as hot as you can go on the stock cat.

You could probably still do the same mods FBO guys do, like inlets (currently being tested by some guys on the F30post) intakes and intercooler. They are going to make the far more power and make it consistently.

I thought the consensus was that intakes were a waste of money?

Not being argumentative; just want to learn.

If I’m doing the inlet, I’m upgrading the turbo while I’m in there...

[AmuroRay]

You’re not completely wrong. There are some that make a hp, but it’s not a lot. For me, it’s more of where it makes power.

But an inlet doesn’t require you to remove a turbo, I don’t think going that far is necessary.

[PackPride85]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

M2 tune vs BM3 Stage 1

Spoiler, the stock M2 tune makes more power and has more high end power.

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1610213

Stock 352whp STD
BM3 Stage 1 329whp STD


Comparison of the M2 tune vs BM3 Stage 1

https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1616837

Stage 1 300whp
M2 (BM3) 312whp

You can't run any of these tunes at consistent power without an intercooler. That's why the BM3 tune made less power than stock on that stage 1 dyno.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by PackPride85

You can't run any of these tunes at consistent power without an intercooler. That's why the BM3 tune made less power than stock on that stage 1 dyno.

The BM3 tune is also just not as powerful as the stock M2 tune. They really hamper the car at top end.

[PackPride85]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

The BM3 tune is also just not as powerful as the stock M2 tune. They really hamper the car at top end.

Highly doubt that. I'm running stage 1 tune and there is a noticeable increase in power in the top end running wagoner evo 2 IC. Like I just said, you're not going to get consistent power up top on the stock intercooler as the DME will just pull timing with the more aggressive targets.

Think about how any modern internal combustion engine is tuned. You've got the load targets (primary), boost target (usually secondary unless boost target is forced), and timing advance. When load/boost targets increase the car will always make more power under ideal conditions. Same with timing advance, except instead of setting it as high as possible you have to find the value that creates maximum brake torque. So yes you can "diminish" power by running too much timing advance past the MBT value at a given rpm/load but any competent tuner would be able to avoid this.

Once the ambient temp goes beyond a certain point you'll definitely see consistent power lost at the top with the stock IC, but not with an upgrade one.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by PackPride85

Highly doubt that. I'm running stage 1 tune and there is a noticeable increase in power in the top end running wagoner evo 2 IC. Like I just said, you're not going to get consistent power up top on the stock intercooler as the DME will just pull timing with the more aggressive targets.

I’ll believe it when I see it. The BM3 tune was tested on the same day as the M2 tune in the second comparison and made less power. In fact, I’ve never seen a BM3 Stage 1 car make more than a stock M2.

I agree with you about timing being pulled, heat, supporting mods, blah blah blah, but the stage 1 OTS tunes are not that great.

Originally Posted by PackPride85

Think about how any modern internal combustion engine is tuned. You've got the load targets (primary), boost target (usually secondary unless boost target is forced), and timing advance. When load/boost targets increase the car will always make more power under ideal conditions. Same with timing advance, except instead of setting it as high as possible you have to find the value that creates maximum brake torque. So yes you can "diminish" power by running too much timing advance past the MBT value at a given rpm/load but any competent tuner would be able to avoid this.

Once the ambient temp goes beyond a certain point you'll definitely see consistent power lost at the top with the stock IC, but not with an upgrade one.

The easiest way to test this is using your logs and plugging it in Virtual Dyno. Again, I’m willing to bet the stage 1 tune makes less power than the M2 tune. Typically they target less timing and less boost as they approach redline - I know MHD admitted to such.

[PackPride85]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

I’ll believe it when I see it. The BM3 tune was tested on the same day as the M2 tune in the second comparison and made less power. In fact, I’ve never seen a BM3 Stage 1 car make more than a stock M2.

I agree with you about timing being pulled, heat, supporting mods, blah blah blah, but the stage 1 OTS tunes are not that great.



The easiest way to test this is using your logs and plugging it in Virtual Dyno. Again, I’m willing to bet the stage 1 tune makes less power than the M2 tune. Typically they target less timing and less boost as they approach redline - I know MHD admitted to such.

Didn't know about VD until now. For some reason it won't fully display my BM3 logs but I emailed the developer. Once I figure out the issue i'll do some comparisons between stock and BM3 stage 1.