[Nine Lives]

Originally Posted by Nine Lives

Last three cars were M3 E92,TT RS,M135. Why ?

Originally Posted by zenmaster

Was trying to understand your basis for comparison.

I've gotcha.

It's already been mentioned but the change from MY16 to MY17 was significant in as far as the technology is concerned,most notably the change to idrive 5,WiFi hot spots etc.

So maybe BMW have addressed some criticism and I say some, as the HK is still no multi-thousand set up,but to these ears it does sound better.

[omasou]

Well I cannot compare to a M235i and my comparison is really old

1997 E36M3 HK = sucked

2017 F87M2 HK = sounds great.

[ric124]

I'm happy with mine, it doesn't get as loud or punch as much bass as the logic 7 HK system I had in the F30 and we know it has almost 50% less power. It is plenty powerful tho and sounds a lot better than a lot of other cars out there. I haven't listen to the Audi's bang and Olufsen system so I can't compare with that.

Anyway back to important things! When is the next track day!?

[Viffermike]

Cut-and-paste of a post of mine in the 2Addicts audio forum in a thread about MY2017 audio improvement:

<<My two cents regarding that post and potential incremental MY changes:

- Keep in mind that the M2, the M235i, and the 228i have different ASD programming. This could account for much of the difference in perceived 'sound quality' -- particularly in the M2, which by all accounts has ASD that's less pronounced than the other two models

- As I've stated in previous posts, the amp module for the 2 Series has at least four different part numbers on realoem.com for both the Hi-Fi and HK systems. That suggests that there have been incremental changes made to the amp since the 2 Series was introduced. However, most of the evidence point to operational and ASD adjustments, not functional or quality-related adjustments.

- Also as stated in previous posts, at some point the HK stereo started using under-seat woofers (I'm not gonna call them 'subs' because they aren't subs) of a different ohm rating than originally used. (BMW's tweaked the under-seat woofers on Hi-Fi systems as well, just less obviously). This shift likely accounts for at least one of the new part numbers for the amp ... also: the under-seat woofers on HK systems have a known fault that causes them to cut out and stop working under certain undetermined conditions. Turning off the car and restarting it resets them.

- Read the ASD removal harness thread here. A wiring issue in the rear driver's side speaker causes the rear speakers to be out of phase from the factory. It's very possible BMW caught this and fixed it for MY2017 cars, including the M2.

But the bottom line is:
There are almost certainly no fundamental functional upgrades to the HK system for MY2017. Amp power is the same, drivers are still the same, Logic7 is still missing, yada, yada, yada. If you're truly curious about it, keep an eye on realoem.com and note any different part numbers for audio system hardware. If they pop up when MY2017 info becomes available, it may indicate incremental changes, but does not necessarily indicate significant changes.

Don't hope for anything truly significant until LCI in 2018 -- and honestly, I don't think there will be any until the Gen2 redesign in 2020.>>

I'm willing to bet at this point that the out-of-phase rear-speaker wiring from the factory mentioned above, which has been reported to be fixed in some MY2017 cars, is the sole cause of the perceived improvement.

Also: iDrive has nothing to do with the audio system except that it acts as its interface. Think of it this way: iDrive has nothing to do with TPMS, driving modes, navigation, etc. -- it's merely an interface between the user and the system. Think of it as a really fancy set of volume and tone knobs and rocker switches.

[LGWGN]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

It would seem impossible for only 1 person to notice and remark about such a large improvement from one model to the next, with so many forum members upgrading their cars.

You're wrong... I have made the same comment and it can be found elsewhere on this forum.

I am coming from an F30 with the HK system and HK in the '17 M2 is just as good. No complaints whatsoever with it.

Viffermike Since you already offered to help better the sound in my car, before I received it and didn't need to, let me know if you're interested in doing some comparison between the two to discover what the differences might be at the component level.

[Lincoln30]

I think the HK in the 2017 M2 sounds better then the 2015 F80 Logic 7 system. It is much less harsh and natural sounding. It's a warmer/darker sound but more accurate (closer to the source material). I haven't measured it with the RTA yet but it is more enjoyable to listen to then the M3 system was when tuned flat using a real RTA (not an iphone app and crappy mic). I still plan to upgrade but I was pleasantly surprised that it is better then expected.

[mdt]

So are there any obvious components to upgrade?

[gtr]

Originally Posted by Lincoln30

I think the HK in the 2017 M2 sounds better then the 2015 F80 Logic 7 system. It is much less harsh and natural sounding. It's a warmer/darker sound but more accurate (closer to the source material). I haven't measured it with the RTA yet but it is more enjoyable to listen to then the M3 system was when tuned flat using a real RTA (not an iphone app and crappy mic). I still plan to upgrade but I was pleasantly surprised that it is better then expected.

Just picked up my 17 M2. It's been a while but I think I like my M2 HK is better mainly due to it not amped up. The F80 did not have volume adjustment (too loud or quiet) but has logic 7. Pretty close comparison but I'd probably choose the M2 beating the M3 HK by a hair. I recalled the 16 being terrible don't know what they did with the 2017?

Good enough stereo be considered decent or good enough. If Burmester on a Porsche is a 10 I'd consider this 7/10.

[D CHOI]

Originally Posted by iQuiet

I'm really hoping the sound system is good, I'm coming from a car with a $15,000 audio set up..
Morel Supremos, 3 amps + 2 12inch 1,000WRMS subwoofers, just hoping the HK system is good, and I don't have to go aftermarket because I don't want to touch this car too much!

I'm hoping I don't need to add a subwoofer in the trunk. I realize that the subs in the m2 are under the driver and passenger seats. I don't know if that can create enough bump in the car. Anyone here added aftermarket subs to the m2?

[DivideBYZero]

Originally Posted by jtfields

Well, I hope it's true. Even my Z3 back in the mid-90's had a crappy stereo system (pre-iDrive, pre-HK). It's stupid that my BMWs with $40k (in mid-90's dollars), $75k and $45k MSRPs can't seem to come with something that sounds better than a stock Honda Civic stereo system.

Z3 isn't pre-HK. My Z3 has an HK sound system and was improved no end by using a Clarion head unit with the existing HK Amp and speakers.

[zenmaster]

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1313675

[Pyrat 2]

The hardware was changed for MY2017 so very possible that it was improved. They have a new amplifier part number.

[Dabozo]

i think the system is great in my '17....no complaints whatsoever! Clean sound right up to max volume...

I was so worried after reading all the terrible reviews in the '16's that i went and ordered an asd bypass before i got my car...sooooo, anyone want to buy a bypass harness...??

[Zippster]

Originally Posted by Dabozo

i think the system is great in my '17....no complaints whatsoever! Clean sound right up to max volume...

I was so worried after reading all the terrible reviews in the '16's that i went and ordered an asd bypass before i got my car...sooooo, anyone want to buy a bypass harness...??

I have to agree. I just picked my M2 up last week and it sounds good to me. Some songs have more bass and it come though good enough, others not so much now I cant remember the song I am referring to. Ok the under seat speakers are not subwoofers, but I can hear the bass and even feel it some.

I hope the out of phase speakers was the issue with the MY16s.

[Glounk]

Originally Posted by Dabozo

i think the system is great in my '17....no complaints whatsoever! Clean sound right up to max volume...

I was so worried after reading all the terrible reviews in the '16's that i went and ordered an asd bypass before i got my car...sooooo, anyone want to buy a bypass harness...??

Will not install it too

[ric124]

Originally Posted by Dabozo

i think the system is great in my '17....no complaints whatsoever! Clean sound right up to max volume...

I was so worried after reading all the terrible reviews in the '16's that i went and ordered an asd bypass before i got my car...sooooo, anyone want to buy a bypass harness...??

You will still get that one guy who will say it's horrible.


But I agree with you it's sounds pretty good and even tho it has half the power of the HK logic 7 I had in the f30. I do think I prefer this one.

[zenmaster]

I'm coming from a '16 HK to a '17 HK, with no time between, and will post my take on audio quality difference in a couple weeks.

[rjn]

[QUOTE=ric124;20755692]You will still get that one guy who will say it's horrible. QUOTE]

Well I won't be that guy. I was really concerned after lurking on the forums about this during the long wait. Picked up my '17 last week, and happy to say it sounds good, and fantastic to what I'd been prepared to expect. Never heard a '16, but for a sports focused coupe with it's corresponding background NVH and noise floor, I don't think I'll be upgrading anything.

Same for a few of the other big thread "issues" discussed on other topics. Loving this car as a total package!

[Zippster]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

I'm coming from a '16 HK to a '17 HK, with no time between, and will post my take on audio quality difference in a couple weeks.

Looking forward to hearing your opinion on this. Like others I too was worried that I was buying a car with a premium sound system which would sound less then good based on the MY16 reviews. Again, the MY17 that I just picked up sounds good to me.

cheers.

[champ_87]

I've just taken delivery of my 2017 M2 and my initial impressions with the HK sound quality is quite positive. This is coming from someone who does appreciate high quality audio. For reference, I just completed a system build in my boat with ~$4k of JL Audio spkrs, components & subs. I'm not necessarily a bass junkie and feel like the stock subs are quite adequate. That sentiment may change when the novelty wears off and I'm drooling over the idea of adding even an 8"JL Audio W7 in the trunk!

FWIW, mine was an early September build and did arrive with iDrive 5.0 + Apple CarPlay.

[F1zbo]

Hi,
I actually removed the H/K option from my build a couple of weeks ago and my cars is entering production in Nov.
I decided to skip it based on the additional cost over here is about $800 and the consensus seems to be it sucked.

Now, with the MY17 people are claiming it sounds better than MY16 and I am starting to almost regret my decision.
However sound quality is super subjective and hard to quantify I am not sure if I should call my dealer and change my build, if not too late.

I have no way of comparing myself so really hard choice to make... :/

[omasou]

Originally Posted by F1zbo

Hi,
I actually removed the H/K option from my build a couple of weeks ago and my cars is entering production in Nov.
I decided to skip it based on the additional cost over here is about $800 and the consensus seems to be it sucked.

Now, with the MY17 people are claiming it sounds better than MY16 and I am starting to almost regret my decision.
However sound quality is super subjective and hard to quantify I am not sure if I should call my dealer and change my build, if not too late.

I have no way of comparing myself so really hard choice to make... :/

If given a choice, I would buy it.