[c1pher]

If you check one of the pcar forums, they have a graph of how many GT4/Spyder/GTS4.0 have manual transmission and it’s nearly 3/4 are manual. Given today’s current trend of everything auto transmission and it’s competing against one of the worlds best automatic transmissions (PDK), that says something about it. The manual would probably be a success if 25% bought it but almost 75% is amazing. And a great theft deterrent lol.

[medphysdave]

"The thing I love about the CS is that it somehow manages to be fun even at lower speeds."

I agree. I think it's a combo of balance, nvm, sharp steering, and thrust at low speeds. I find myself playing in very low speed areas by juicing it in/out of normally bland corners. It's fun and within -45mph.

How do folks with GT4s feel about the low speed stuff?

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

"The thing I love about the CS is that it somehow manages to be fun even at lower speeds."

I agree. I think it's a combo of balance, nvm, sharp steering, and thrust at low speeds. I find myself playing in very low speed areas by juicing it in/out of normally bland corners. It's fun and within -45mph.

How do folks with GT4s feel about the low speed stuff?

Let’s be honest. BMWs in-line six is one of the best engines out there. The 4.0 motor in the GT4 I feel is improved over the 3.8 in the previous GT4 with having more grunt down low. The power is very linear across the rpm range all the way to 8100rpm. Not quite a GT3 but it’s 2/3 the price if you can get a GT3 at sticker. The only reason I don’t have a Spyder now is because I had a rare opportunity to spec a Targa that I just received. However, I am working it out to get one within the next 24 months.

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by c1pher

Let’s be honest. BMWs in-line six is one of the best engines out there. The 4.0 motor in the GT4 I feel is improved over the 3.8 in the previous GT4 with having more grunt down low. The power is very linear across the rpm range all the way to 8100rpm. Not quite a GT3 but it’s 2/3 the price if you can get a GT3 at sticker. The only reason I don’t have a Spyder now is because I had a rare opportunity to spec a Targa that I just received. However, I am working it out to get one within the next 24 months.

Pics of Targa, post them up.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

"The thing I love about the CS is that it somehow manages to be fun even at lower speeds."

I agree. I think it's a combo of balance, nvm, sharp steering, and thrust at low speeds. I find myself playing in very low speed areas by juicing it in/out of normally bland corners. It's fun and within -45mph.

How do folks with GT4s feel about the low speed stuff?

I love the low speed stuff in the GT4 and the transition to the explosive top end is downright scintillating - no turbo motor feels like this at higher RPMs. Thrust is plentiful at any speed, so long as you're not in the wrong gear (this motor's torque for NA is incredible to say the least), the throttle response is unmatched by anything short of a GT3 and the way this car steers and feels at low speeds is like a go kart - the balance of the chassis is unrivaled by anything but much higher end cars and still I think they only match it. On top of that, with a full Akrapovic exhaust it sings that incredible Flat 6 song even more aggressively and louder thank stock...

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

Pics of Targa, post them up.

A please somewhere in there goes a long way.

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

I love the low speed stuff in the GT4 and the transition to the explosive top end is downright scintillating - no turbo motor feels like this at higher RPMs. Thrust is plentiful at any speed, so long as you're not in the wrong gear (this motor's torque for NA is incredible to say the least), the throttle response is unmatched by anything short of a GT3 and the way this car steers and feels at low speeds is like a go kart - the balance of the chassis is unrivaled by anything but much higher end cars and still I think they only match it. On top of that, with a full Akrapovic exhaust it sings that incredible Flat 6 song even more aggressively and louder thank stock...

The other thing you notice is the immediate throttle response, there’s no delay whatsoever. In some cars, you push the pedal and it’s like it’s asking “Did you really mean to push the pedal down? Oh I see you’re still pushing it down, okay I give you power.”

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by c1pher

The other thing you notice is the immediate throttle response, there’s no delay whatsoever. In some cars, you push the pedal and it’s like it’s asking “Did you really mean to push the pedal down? Oh I see you’re still pushing it down, okay I give you power.”

Yes, absolutely. Razor sharp, but never feels lurchy like the M cars always do in Sport Plus mode.

[Anonymoose]

You also need to look at the price range. M2C is $60k and the 718 cayman gt4 is $125k.

[mchart]

Originally Posted by Anonymoose

You also need to look at the price range. M2C is $60k and the 718 cayman gt4 is $125k.

Talking about the CS, which the cheapest you could get was $85k after delivery fee. Although I agree with the statement even then, assuming you could get a base optioned CS. If I wanted a GT4 at one of my local Porsche dealers; First, they won't even give me an allocation. Second, i'd have to buy one they ordered that would be closer to $120k due to options they throw on for profit margin. So for me, my CS at $85k was far cheaper compared to getting a GT4.

And I'll be honest, at $120k that's looking pretty close to me just saying screw it, and starting my Ultima RS project w/ a LS7.

[Romo]

GT4 is just lovely, CS lovely too

CS more easy power to me, GT4 you have to work it.


GT revs free, although not as free as my former 981 C GTS, IMHO it must be a slightly negative influence from the OPF.

Both cars conceal their speed very good, you're going awfully fast in a just a moment and don't notice it really

On steering I would say the CS is a little bit more direct at low speeds.

I really love them both, and a regular switch on driving them both makes you wonder and respect those cars even more

[Anonymoose]

Originally Posted by mchart

Talking about the CS, which the cheapest you could get was $85k after delivery fee. Although I agree with the statement even then, assuming you could get a base optioned CS. If I wanted a GT4 at one of my local Porsche dealers; First, they won't even give me an allocation. Second, i'd have to buy one they ordered that would be closer to $120k due to options they throw on for profit margin. So for me, my CS at $85k was far cheaper compared to getting a GT4.

And I'll be honest, at $120k that's looking pretty close to me just saying screw it, and starting my Ultima RS project w/ a LS7.

Yeah I agree with you. I looked at the cayman 718 gt4 but with the price difference I opted for the m2C

[Jimjamz]

Originally Posted by Davil

There are a few owner reviews on here that ditched that car because of the gearing. To be honest I found my e36 318is more fun than my e36 M3 on public roads for actual driving fun rather than showing off. The thing I love about the CS is that it somehow manages to be fun even at lower speeds. That's some accomplishment considering how capable it is.

I can relate to this. I went with my E92 335i over a E92 M3 as I preferred its more accessible low end torque around town.

[Jason]

Comparison Test: 2020 BMW M2 CS vs. 2021 Porsche 718 Cayman GTS 4.0

BMW used every tool at its disposal to transform the M2 CS into a sports car. But is it as good as Porsche's six-cylinder Cayman GTS?

Link to Article: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...s-40-compared/

"The Porsche is the better car in nearly every regard, a win earned by being exactly the right tool for the job. Still, the BMW wears its flaws in a way that draws you in. More endearing, sillier, and just a bit less under control than the Cayman, the M2 CS is the one you'll remember, the one that will inspire gesture-filled stories beginning with "There I was . . ." But while it may be possible, and even fun, to pound a nail with something like a pipe wrench, a hammer is really what you need."

[MachinesWithSouls]

We were just talking about this in another thread with C&D and the M3 vs Alfa.

The M2 is a coupe, as is the Cayman. Which is like saying that Arnold Schwarzenegger is a man, and so is Pee Wee.

The Cayman might be the better sports car, but it's not saddled with a useful backseat, nor does it share its architecture with a dozen other Porsches. The CS is already sold out, and you're not cross shopping them.

Again with the "feel". If that were the case, wed all be buying the same cars. I hate "feel". I love how it feels…to me. Which might not be relevant to you.

[stein_325i]

@Jason

Comparison Test: 2020 BMW M2 CS vs. 2021 Porsche 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1839494

[///M TOWN]

Out of the 2 I'd pick the M2cs every time

But if buying today I'd definitely get a new 718 Spyder PDK

[Mako]

Crazy that a M4 convertible pretty loaded is almost $10,000 cheaper than a GTS 4.0 convertible with similar options.

And that M4 with AWD probably will win on the street (maybe even track).

But I am still considering both just because they have such a different feel.

Value does the money is no contest, BMW

Wish the Z4 was more like the boxster/Cayman
But the mid engine setup is tough to beat and no pure M version anymore

[10"]

Originally Posted by Mako

Crazy that a M4 convertible pretty loaded is almost $10,000 cheaper than a GTS 4.0 convertible with similar options.

And that M4 with AWD probably will win on the street (maybe even track).

But I am still considering both just because they have such a different feel.

Value does the money is no contest, BMW

win at what? 0-60 times? LOL

in the old days people bought and loved cars because they were fun, and would be a companion on adventures in their lives. Faster Nurburgring times didn't matter. Statistics don't matter much.

I'd rather drive a a car that does 0-60 in 8 seconds but is mechanical with a manual gearbox and can act like a hooligan than an AWD 'sports car' full of computers that does 0-60 in 3.5s

Having driven multiple Cayman including GTS models they are great but very very clinical. They are not enjoyable like a hooligan. I haven't driven an M2 CS but I am fairly sure it would be more playful than the Porsche...probably by quite a margin.

[AllaVodka]

M2 cs is my choice from BMW M. But porsche is a different driving experience

[rwemersonrw]

Originally Posted by AllaVodka

M2 cs is my choice from BMW M. But porsche is a different driving experience

Totally agreed. There are so many gt4 and gt3s at my club and there is no question they are better than my m2c but a lot of them, when they see me sliding around, come back and say wow that looks like so much fun. M2 requires a good to great driver; gt4 and gt3 not so much.

[EXE46]

Originally Posted by 10"

win at what? 0-60 times? LOL

in the old days people bought and loved cars because they were fun, and would be a companion on adventures in their lives. Faster Nurburgring times didn't matter. Statistics don't matter much.

I'd rather drive a a car that does 0-60 in 8 seconds but is mechanical with a manual gearbox and can act like a hooligan than an AWD 'sports car' full of computers that does 0-60 in 3.5s

Having driven multiple Cayman including GTS models they are great but very very clinical. They are not enjoyable like a hooligan. I haven't driven an M2 CS but I am fairly sure it would be more playful than the Porsche...probably by quite a margin.

That's quite the declaration coming from a BMW fanboy. The Porsche is 300 lbs lighter than the CS, that alone is enough to tell me all I need to know. If I was shopping in that segment it would be Porsche GT4 without a doubt.