[M2audioman]

You guys are complaining about weight on a BMW? Buy a Porsche. Problem solved.

[ORIGIN M.]

Wow.

The C is for Chunky !

[norMcal]

Originally Posted by kfscoll

Right!

I'm no track guy, but I gotta believe no one except maybe Sebastian Vettel would ever notice the M2C's slight weight gain.

As much as I'd love to pooh-pooh the M2C an OG M2 owner, i just think the weight gain is no biggie for 99.9% of people.

FWIW, I am a weight reduction freak, and you are right, many times it isn't so noticeable, but 150 lbs you can feel. Just add a passenger and even novice driver can tell the difference in accelerator alone.
I'm no Sebastian Vettel, but I definitely noticed when I removed the sunroof on my track car. Granted the weight is in an unfavorable location, but it is also only 40 lbs, and was noticeable.

Originally Posted by Jono2112

If you really want to go faster, your best mod is to change the driver! That could easily make up 100lbs.
Of course I don't mean give your new M2C to someone else, but take more driver training. Change your driving. Ever heard of the Bonderant school? Or practice in carts more.
Definitely don't take the safety equipment out of a car you still drive on the street. What kind of ass would you feel like if you were unlucky enough to have your neighbor's kid step out in front of you and become a hood ornament on your track weapon? You'd be left wondering for the rest of your miserable life if the auto braking might have saved that kid?

True, driver will make bigger difference than 100 lbs, but keep in mind, more weight and your consumables go up, fuel, tires, brakes. It all adds up and is all negative. Most of us are just ranting, and 100 lbs isn't the end of it all, but it is disappointing, because the M2 was already not so light to begin with. Or I should say, I was already disappointed with the weight when it first came out.

Originally Posted by raysspl

The weight is shameful, no matter how you cut & slice it. Prob will be on the camp looking at pre-owned Porsches

It's looking more and more like that for me as well.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by ORIGIN M.

Wow.

The C is for Chunky !

Poor M2c, she gets fat shamed on a daily basis. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Yeah, she's put on a few lbs, but I'd still hit it.

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by ChrisK

I just don't get the math. Where is the weight coming from. There is no way the S55 is 150lbs more than the N55. Front fascia is trivial. And the new seats are supposed to be lighter than the M2 seats. As said above, something is missing.

Originally Posted by Tag

s55 cooling system
Dual turbos
New exhaust system has dual exhaust with dual cats
Unnecessary safety crap

Adaptive Driver Assist and PDC(F/R) is now standard. A bunch of sensors, cameras, wiring, etc. It all adds up.

If the 2NH brakes are standard that is also a large portion of the weight, about 28 lbs over the standard blue brakes.

Also I don't believe early reporting the 788M wheels are lighter. Personally believe they will end up being .5-1 lbs more weight per corner.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by ChrisK

I would agree if it was a comp pack. It's not - it's basically a new model will all of the changes.

...and the weight? Seems we don't know for sure what is actually being included in those numbers.

What we do know is the US M2 was specified by BMW USA at 3450 and the US M2 Comp was specified by BMW USA at 3600..

A stock BMW M4 is specified by BMW USA to be 3565 lbs...

https://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/m-mo...fications.html

M3 CS is specified by BMW USA to be 3494

what we do know is.. a manual M2 competition weighs 35 lbs more than the manual M4 .. must be the lack of a CF roof..

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

What we do know is the US M2 was specified at 3450 and the US M2 Comp was specified at 3600..

And your CSL you're waiting for will be heavier than N55M2.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Adaptive Driver Assist and PDC(F/R) is now standard. A bunch of sensors, cameras, wiring, etc. It all adds up.

If the 2NH brakes are standard that is also a large portion of the weight, about 28 lbs over the standard blue brakes.

Also I don't believe early reporting the 788M wheels are lighter. Personally believe they will end up being .5-1 lbs more weight per corner.

What's your source for the 2NH weight?

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

And your CSL you're waiting for will be heavier than N55M2.

well if It will only come with a heavy DCT.... I am not waiting for it..

the M4 GTS weight (DCT) is 3616 lb...... while a stock M4 DCT is 3620 lbs.


. and the stock M2 competition is 3600 lbs already.... 3655 comparably equipped with a DCT not including water injection, or a roll cage. if the weight
delta is the same... then if BMW begins wiith a 3655 lbs DCT M2 and in the process of making a CSL it only loses a similar 4 lbs... then BMW apparently will attempt to announce a 3650 lb + M2 CS (L) it seems.. at which point I would rather have an X3M.

Even if they just make an M2 CS... and assuming it were to lose a similar 3620 to 3494 lbs (126 lbs) that still leaves a DCT equipped M2 CS at 3529 lbs.. bmw would be smart if they made an M2 CS with a 6MT and at least they might be able to get it under 3500 lbs... and yes.. I finf it very hard pressed for them to get close to the weight of the OG M2 N55. This is *exactly* why I have said the OG M2 Performance edition is probably the best version.

if one wants a light weight M2 .. the M2 PE is the best place to start.

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by Tag

What's your source for the 2NH weight?

It is actually more. I was using ETK listed weights for rotors/calipers.

http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...3&postcount=39

[seis-speed]

Options add weight. No options is the best route. If you want a light F8X find a low option F8X 6MT.

This DCT F80 weighs under 3600lbs
http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1000776

Other weigh-ins.
F80 vs E90
http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=974479

Options matter
http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1077612

[JustChris]

Curb weight 1658kg, did I miss something? No chance that is correct, but it can't be a type-o for lbs...what's going on?

[Tag]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

It is actually more. I was using ETK listed weights for rotors/calipers.

http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...3&postcount=39

Doesn't add up for me. The difference in weight between the stock calipers and 2NH came out to 6.7kg. I then took a look at the stock iron rotor sizes and calculated how much larger percentage wise the 2NH rotors were. It's a rough estimate, as the rotor hat isn't larger, but close enough. The front rotors are 5.6% larger and the rears 2.7% larger. The extra weight for the rotors came out to 1.68kg total. So 6.7kg + 1.68kg = 8.38kg, which is 18.47-lbs. If you or someone else has the time, please check my work.

Only thing that could potentially throw the numbers off is if the rotors are thicker. I didn't see anything indicating they were.

[HammerDahn]

If you're concerned about the weight.

A. Buy something lighter.
B. Wait for the lighter harder core model that will drop towards the end of production.
C. Realize that you'd never be able to tell the extra weight behind the wheel if you weren't told before hand.
D. Buy all the Carbon M. Performance bits so you can tell strangers on the internet and the 18 year olds at Cars and Coffee how much lighter the nose feels... Because they're the only ones who will believe you and believe that you spent that money well lol..

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by JustChris

Curb weight 1658kg, did I miss something? No chance that is correct, but it can't be a type-o for lbs...what's going on?

1658 kg is the DCT weight.. which converts to 3655 lbs

1633 is the MT weight. which converts to 3600 lbs

the DCT is 25kg more which is 55 lbs... and this corresponds to the prior US weight of the OG M2 of 3450 for manual (1564 kg) and 3505 for DCT
(1589kg)


BMW began with a 1M at 3295 lbs.. then brought out an M2 at 3450... now the M2 Competition has increased another 150 lbs... of which we already knew 55 kg (121 lbs) is the change in dry weight of the S55 and it's associated equipment alone..

[seis-speed]

Originally Posted by JustChris

Curb weight 1658kg, did I miss something? No chance that is correct, but it can't be a type-o for lbs...what's going on?

Sort of makes sense why BMW has spent so much time showcasing CF parts with specific weight reductions before this announcement came out.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Rupes

This entire thread has turned into a weight conversation, which I think is a good thing. If you believe that BMW reads these posts (hard to argue they don't given the changes coming to the M2C), then we should expect our weight loss wishes to be granted in the next iteration of the M2 (CSL?).

that is as comforting as telling people to wait for the iphone XV or Samsung Galaxy or Note 15.

Originally Posted by raysspl

The weight is shameful, no matter how you cut & slice it.

[MR.]

LOL ready this topic after five days of Mille Miglia....

What a discussion about a few kilos.

MR

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by Tag

Doesn't add up for me. The difference in weight between the stock calipers and 2NH came out to 6.7kg. I then took a look at the stock iron rotor sizes and calculated how much larger percentage wise the 2NH rotors were. It's a rough estimate, as the rotor hat isn't larger, but close enough. The front rotors are 5.6% larger and the rears 2.7% larger. The extra weight for the rotors came out to 1.68kg total. So 6.7kg + 1.68kg = 8.38kg, which is 18.47-lbs. If you or someone else has the time, please check my work.

Only thing that could potentially throw the numbers off is if the rotors are thicker. I didn't see anything indicating they were.

Math has been done in this thread. About 35lbs.

http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1497066

[Tag]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Math has been done in this thread. About 35lbs.

http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1497066

That math is between the stock brakes and the CCB. 2NH is not CCB.

Edit: The OP edited the thread a little while ago. Looks like the numbers changed, although don't know what his source is. :

[535i MSport]

Originally Posted by pheerIx

Heavier than M4? Lol

I considered an M2C but bought an M3 Comp pack instead. I didn't realise that the M2C would prove to be so controversial!!

[M2 CSL]

I'm worried about the lower payload of the M2c. I cant fill the cabin up with a yard of bulk triple shredded anymore. It's not a man's car anymore.