[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by scheneider

so its an M without M engine?

Yep.

[UpNcOmINg!]

I would rather be seen in a render of an ///M2 than a CLA45 AMG. Those cars do nothing for me at all.
The N55 in the ///M2 I am sure will carry the forged internals, pumps (ALL Fluids including Fuel and Oil) over from the S55.
Either way, it wont be the average N55 that still makes 500+whp on stock internals just with uprated turbo.
The TT setup will still be better for Big boost though. Well for now at least.

[chmura]

Originally Posted by BRBM

Whoa........New M2 = Old M3?

You know, the old ultimate Ultimate Driving Machines of 1-2-3 generations back? And possibly a quick ECU reflash away from being at or very near 400/400 hp & torque numbers?

I think so!! Hell yeah; let me get this one my list.

And thank you BMW M-Division!!

(Wait. You're not gonna be pipin' exhaust sound into the cabin, are you? 'Cause you should stop that amateurish nonsense. Not befitting of you.)

It's basically an e46 m3 size. So call it a modern turbo e46 m3!

[FilipMPower]

Originally Posted by MR.

My 135i had stock 344 hp and 480 Nm, and not 302 hp and 400 Nm as communicated by BMW.

Two weeks ago we had a M4 on the dyno which had 495hp at 6,500 rpm + 621Nm at 2,500 rpm.... It was not tuned! Totally stock...

Then why would a 370hp M2 not have more than 400hp? Is the N55 engine so different from the S55 and N54? Does it never show an increase over the stock communicated performance?

MR

Sounds interesting and all, but I need to see some WHP numbers before I can give another statement, because estimated crank hp tells me nothing.

[FilipMPower]

Originally Posted by OrangeCrush

Either way, if the M2 dynos at 340 whp, that is only 10 whp less than the 414hp E92 M3. So 340 whp is equivalent to 400hp cars of just two years ago.

Of course, I always respect cars being faster not through sheer power, bur rather efficiency.

EfficientDynamics lol

[jc9elfer]

If the reveal is in Detroit....I am there....Just a 3 hour drive away from me!

[e-man2]

excuse my erection

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by FilipMPower

Sounds interesting and all, but I need to see some WHP numbers before I can give another statement, because estimated crank hp tells me nothing.

Originally Posted by OrangeCrush

Either way, if the M2 dynos at 340 whp, that is only 10 whp less than the 414hp E92 M3. So 340 whp is equivalent to 400hp cars of just two years ago.

You guys realize chassis dynos are horribly inaccurate, right? If you're looking to test the gains of a modification using the same car on the same dyno on the same day, sure. But otherwise, WHP numbers can vary by 10%–15% between dynos. There's no way that there's that much actual variation in the power produced by modern production engines if you control for conditions.

[Db750]

Originally Posted by spuntyb

That rear end with the wide expanse of bumper area looks...odd. Can't wait to see the final reveal.

Yes I agree with this. There is just too much bumper front and rear actually for me. Not really sure how to put it; just needs to be more open space! I like what Scott said that it will be more aggressive. That is exactly what this car needs (and what I want).

Can't wait for the reveal of this car although I know I'm going to be very jealous of all the owners!

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by BRBM

Whoa........New M2 = Old M3?

You know, the old ultimate Ultimate Driving Machines of 1-2-3 generations back? And possibly a quick ECU reflash away from being at or very near 400/400 hp & torque numbers?

I think so!! Hell yeah; let me get this one my list.

And thank you BMW M-Division!!

(Wait. You're not gonna be pipin' exhaust sound into the cabin, are you? 'Cause you should stop that amateurish nonsense. Not befitting of you.)

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and agree that it's non befitting of you.. and let you know that you should stop the amateurish nonsense of complaining about piped in sound until you own and drive a turbo car...


Seriously... look at the number of cars on the road employing active sound.. look at the manufacturers involved... VW... BMW.. Audi..

http://www.carthrottle.com/post/5-wa...of-their-cars/

throw a Nissan on the fire..

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/20...bin-94296.html


going on over at Porsche also..

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...ined-tech-dept

let's bring in the US manufactuers... how about FORD MUSTANG...

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/16...se-control.htm


when 7 or more of the top 10 manufacturers in the world are doing it... it's time to give it up bro...

[BLK235iNJ]

How does/will the DCT compare to the ZF8 in the 235? I must say that the gearing/shifting is what I'm impressed with the most on the 235. I recently drove the m4 on an autocross track and the DCT was in auto and it didn't seem to find the right gear. Granted this was with an instructor and they wouldnt let us put the car in Sport+.

[kardboard]

Originally Posted by BLK235iNJ

How does/will the DCT compare to the ZF8 in the 235? I must say that the gearing/shifting is what I'm impressed with the most on the 235. I recently drove the m4 on an autocross track and the DCT was in auto and it didn't seem to find the right gear. Granted this was with an instructor and they wouldnt let us put the car in Sport+.

Okay, someone can prob help you a little more than I can, but just as a quick response thing:

I can help you with a DCT comparison from an E9x and a ZF6 from a 135i. In automode, both will have trouble finding gears with aggressive driving, but that is to be expected. When in S in the ZF and you controlling the gears you can obviously select your gears. The issue with the ZF in the 135 is the gear switching can be a little sluggish. If you don't have your foot to the floor the transmission takes it's time changing gears, it's almost a half second delay. If your foot is floored the transition is faster. The DCT is a different animal in S+. It is fraction of a second no matter the modulation of the pedal. That was the biggest difference I felt when I drove E9x DCTs. I have heard when you are driving around the city in a DCT in slow traffic the transmission can be sluggish, but that is different from on the track and that might have been corrected from a firmware from BMW. I'm also not sure if the DCT "learns" your driving. The ZF supposedly did in the 135.

[LinkF1]

Originally Posted by BLK235iNJ

How does/will the DCT compare to the ZF8 in the 235? I must say that the gearing/shifting is what I'm impressed with the most on the 235. I recently drove the m4 on an autocross track and the DCT was in auto and it didn't seem to find the right gear. Granted this was with an instructor and they wouldnt let us put the car in Sport+.

I have DCT (not M-DCT that comes in the M cars, slightly different programming) in my 135 and my wife has the ZF8 in her Z4. The ZF, while a great auto, doesn't compare favorably to the DCT in anything but gas mileage. The shifts feel much crisper with the DCT and it seems to have less power interruption. I have the tendancy to cause autos to "search" for a gear when they aren't in manual mode and this behavior is no different with the ZF in the Z4.

[Denk]

Originally Posted by BLK235iNJ

How does/will the DCT compare to the ZF8 in the 235? I must say that the gearing/shifting is what I'm impressed with the most on the 235. I recently drove the m4 on an autocross track and the DCT was in auto and it didn't seem to find the right gear. Granted this was with an instructor and they wouldnt let us put the car in Sport+.

I agree with most of the opinions here.

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=984746

[FilipMPower]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

You guys realize chassis dynos are horribly inaccurate, right? If you're looking to test the gains of a modification using the same car on the same dyno on the same day, sure. But otherwise, WHP numbers can vary by 10%–15% between dynos. There's no way that there's that much actual variation in the power produced by modern production engines if you control for conditions.

I agree, I also dont like using dynos as they seem inaccurate like you said. My buddy dynoed his stock M5 not too long ago and told me he got 660 crank HP. 660! Funny thing is that after he replaced his exhaust or something, I dont quite remember, his car dynoed at way lower HP. Just saying.

[Mavus]

Too bad there are no manual cloth/alcantara seats. BMW is not listening again. Why would you have M car with leather seats only !!?? I guess M = luxury these days. What character over there made such a dumb decision?

So annoying ...

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by Smooth 330i

Too bad there are no manual cloth/alcantara seats. BMW is not listening again. Why would you have M car with leather seats only !!?? I guess M = luxury these days. What character over there made such a dumb decision?

So annoying ...

its fine if you like manual/cloth seats, but to use that as the reason to complain that M = luxury is kind of silly.

the Gt3 is a sports car, I think most would agree. the standard seat is leather/alcantara powered seats. The 458 comes with leather power seats. So does a z06.

So, I think that using that as the barometer of what a sports car means is missing the point.

I think manual seats suck, personally. I hate not having the memory function, and prefer to find a seat position and stick with it.

[blefevre]

Originally Posted by Smooth 330i

Too bad there are no manual cloth/alcantara seats. BMW is not listening again. Why would you have M car with leather seats only !!?? I guess M = luxury these days. What character over there made such a dumb decision?

So annoying ...

I'm right there with you. Besides driving dynamics my #1 feature for any car is if I can get cloth seats. I hate leather with a passion. I looks ugly, wears quickly, and is always way too hot in warm weather. Sad that the F80 has the option but not the "basic" M2. I guess cloth is now a "high end" option?

[swagon]

They suck as hell if you're tall and the memory seats sit are an inch higher than manual seats.

Black non-ventilated leather is the worst ever. How can someone pay 2k premium for sweaty ass? I'd like to have Alcantara back in M cars, please.

[Mavus]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

its fine if you like manual/cloth seats, but to use that as the reason to complain that M = luxury is kind of silly.

the Gt3 is a sports car, I think most would agree. the standard seat is leather/alcantara powered seats. The 458 comes with leather power seats. So does a z06.

So, I think that using that as the barometer of what a sports car means is missing the point.

I think manual seats suck, personally. I hate not having the memory function, and prefer to find a seat position and stick with it.

Don't misinterpret my comment! I never mentioned performance. M stands for Motorsport and it should give you an option to select interior with durable functional materials common in motorsport configurations. I don't need back seats wrapped in leather and don't want to store stock seats if I want to put buckets. All I requested are options. Hell I would even get roll cage if they offer it. Check out GT350 interior.

[gtaM2]

you know you're attached when you just want BMW to take your money as quick as possible

[chmura]

It's not a shocker that the m2 was not revealed at Pebble Beach.

So when should we expect the reveal of the M2? Will it be the LA Auto Show? If that is the case it will be on November 18, that's when manufacturers will have the debuts .