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Same shit happened when they opened the SC plant. People were all up in arms about some American rednecks building their BMWs. I've had 2 cars built in SC and they were every bit as good as the Dingolfing car I had. I have no doubt the cars out of Mexico will be up to BMW standards. If anything, the paint shop will be better since it's brand new... might actually get Individual colors unlike Leipzig.
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10-29-2019, 05:25 AM | #90 |
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Its not where production happens. Its about how they control the quality.
I understand manufacturers are struggling to find a way to save their cost in order to compete against competitors in the market and i am happy to see such movement. Just hoping that bmw keeps their QC as neat as is now if not better. |
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???? I don't get your sentiment here.
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it also depends if you think creaks and rattles on a 60k car is something you care about. yes the welding and painting is done by robots now, but all the bolt on stuff is still done by humans since thats still cheaper then having robots do it. eh i could be wrong, but vw use to make there mk7 golf in mexico...now they moved their production back to germany for the mk8 golf |
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I talked to a native Chicagoan recently who loves her city more than anything. However, she expressed her recent disgust over the fact that the ethnic burrows like Greek Town are slowly dying because people have lost sight of tradition and heritage and what it means to be proud of who you are and where you come from. It's okay to have a Greek Town or a China Town without feeling like you are being prejudice against others. Besides the horrible liberal economics of a big city, she blames the people for not respecting these individual cultures and instead going too far with diversity and inclusiveness to the point that it's ruining what made Chicago such a great city to begin with. I won't go any further on this topic as it's getting too political, but I just thought I'd share as an example of why it's important to respect the past even while heading into the future. I feel like it's the same thing going on here. Just sharing since you asked...
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10-29-2019, 11:30 AM | #98 |
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I guess one could question why pay a premium for something that is made as cheaply as possible? I can't imagine savings are passed into customers. Feels bad to pay the same or more for a premium product that you know is now being made more cheaply.
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As both a BMW owner and shareholder I'm torn by this...
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How is it wrong for a for-profit business to reduce production costs?
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in general...i doubt new car bmw buyers care where the car is made...most of them are leased. On the bright side it'll probably help with the resale value of the current M2..similar to what happened to the resale values of the mk6 gti's.
also the lower production costs might allow BMW to offer cheaper leases on new products as well. From a consumer and business stand point it makes sense. Also mexico has more free trade agreements with other countries then the US. so it probably didnt make sense to build them in the US thats currently engaged in tariff wars with the two biggest car markets. |
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I said it feels wrong to me to pay a premium for something that I know it's being made cheaply. |
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10-29-2019, 01:00 PM | #105 |
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Leaving aside the emotional charge of the word "cheaply", this is the definition of cost reduction, which is one of the cornerstones of capitalism and market economy. Are you by any chance a communist? They loved their planned production and Politburo-dictated salary and price controls.
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but in my interest as a potential customer, I don't like the idea of paying more for a premium German car that was made more cheaply with cheap labor outside of Germany. I have no obligation to feel like I'm getting fair value from a premium product manufactured with cheap labor, nor do I have an obligation to even be interested in the product. |
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The critical fact that you are ignoring here is that BMW will not be able to sell as much of its product if it is not perceived by the majority of its potential customers as a premium product exceeding the qualities of similar products offered by the competitors. The company understands that while a few people pay attention to the country of the final assembly, it does not affect the general perception of the target customer population in a significant way. Just like it understands that the FWD drivetrain of its smaller cars does not affect that same perception. Your personal preferences simply do. not. matter. Find a few thousand other people who were going to buy a G42 in 2022 but now will not because it's not built in Germany - then you might have a case. But something tells me you won't succeed in that search. Last edited by ynguldyn; 10-29-2019 at 04:19 PM.. |
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You're also paying for a German designed car, not a German built car. Would you think better of a Dodge Dart if it were made in Munich? It's still going to be a piece of crap even if it's made by Santa's elves. Personally, I don't care where my car is made as long as it's done ethically. |
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How about our extensive set of Wusthof cutlery. German designed. Made in China I think not. It doesn't even have to be about Germany. I can name numerous products where people would expect said product to be DESIGNED AND MANUFACTURED in country. Sorry. It cheapens the product and not in good way. |
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Having purchased a Mexican built VW Jetta for my daughter, I can speak with direct knowledge about endless mechanical and electrical and build quality issues, including:
--Complete transmission explosion and the need for a total replacement just 1,000 miles after the warranty expired --Endless electrical issues --Door lock failure --Headlight failure --Oil leaks at 12,000 miles --Creaks, squeaks, moans and groans from day 1. I am not alone. I have several friends who've owned Mexican built Golfs and Jettas with similar issues. A German designed car, built in Mexico, with serious build quality issues. Too bad BMW is heading in the same direction.
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