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      03-19-2019, 05:17 PM   #617
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  • the internal code name for the G87 M2 is "Drift Machine":
    "The next-generation 2-Series will be called the «Drift Machine», so whenever I [Klaus Frölich - BMW product development] look at the design I can say «Adrian [Adrian van Hooydonk - BMW design chief], does that really look like a drift machine? It should have more thrill, do something more». If I drive the car I say «is it a drift machine ?»" "He [Klaus Frölich] claims responsibility for the «Drift Machine» moniker because he wants the designers and engineers developing the model range to understand its intended purpose as a driver’s car." (source: here and here)
Isnt m2c called drift machine?
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Not sure why this debate continually comes up and reverts back to something about MPG or speed of shifts. That actually is never debated by those who prefer a manual.
Exactly. It's like fishing. I could just throw a huge net into the river to catch a million fish, but fly fishing is as much about the journey as the end result. As cars become more and more electric and automated, the "art" of the manual shifting car will remain important to some of us.
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Exactly. It's like fishing. I could just throw a huge net into the river to catch a million fish, but fly fishing is as much about the journey as the end result. As cars become more and more electric and automated, the "art" of the manual shifting car will remain important to some of us.
That feeling of hitting the perfect shift is bliss. The opportunity to have that feeling is worth the slower shift rate, and "slower" car.
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      03-19-2019, 07:55 PM   #620
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  • the internal code name for the G87 M2 is "Drift Machine":
    "The next-generation 2-Series will be called the «Drift Machine», so whenever I [Klaus Frölich - BMW product development] look at the design I can say «Adrian [Adrian van Hooydonk - BMW design chief], does that really look like a drift machine? It should have more thrill, do something more». If I drive the car I say «is it a drift machine ?»" "He [Klaus Frölich] claims responsibility for the «Drift Machine» moniker because he wants the designers and engineers developing the model range to understand its intended purpose as a driver’s car." (source: here and here)
Isnt m2c called drift machine?
The interview with the BMW product development manager was last October and reference was made to next-generation 2er/M2.

But I also recall that many moons ago Richard 'Hamster' Hammond coined the BMW 1M as "Driftmeister" (Drift Master) in a review in a car magazine.
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Nice! I like the cut outs. Looks like they ditched the color inserts. As an m2C owner, the only thing that really makes me salty is the carbon fiber roof, because of the invasive nature of the retrofit. Hood, tune, wheels, steering wheel all easy retrofits. Interested to see confirmation of adaptive dampers or spring changes.
Yeah i'd prefer the carbon fiber roof but if the premium is going to be anywhere near what i think it is, im fine without it. Won't make any real difference in the real world.
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Exactly. It's like fishing. I could just throw a huge net into the river to catch a million fish, but fly fishing is as much about the journey as the end result. As cars become more and more electric and automated, the "art" of the manual shifting car will remain important to some of us.
A river runs through it
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The interview with the BMW product development manager was last October and reference was made to next-generation 2er/M2.

But I also recall that many moons ago Richard 'Hamster' Hammond coined the BMW 1M as "Driftmeister" (Drift Master) in a review in a car magazine.
Ok thanks for the clarification
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      04-16-2019, 11:58 AM   #624
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Another M2 CS prototype got spotted

Another M2 CS prototype got spotted:
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Here's my take on it, based on the pictures.

New features:
  • the integrated head rests now feature the M stripe, as seen on the M3/M4 CS seats (seats that feature cut-outs: see here, here and here); so it looks like the M2 CS is definitely getting the M4 CS seats (as was also already suggested by a previously leaked seats picture: see here);
  • the end of the exhaust tips has a 'cut-off' finish design, as seen on the M3/M4 CS (see here), instead of the 'rounded'/'curled' finish design seen on the original M2 (see here), the M2 Competition (see here) and on previous test mules (see here); those exhaust tips may suggest an M Performance Exhaust, but the test mule muffler looks the same as the stock muffler of the M2 Competition, so likely no MPE;
  • though looks can deceive, it looks as if this test mule sits low on the Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires (see especially the rear wheels); could it be sitting on the M2 M Performance Parts suspension kit (coilovers) (see here) ?
Previously spotted features that also feature on this test mule:
  • carbon fiber hood featuring a power dome (likely the M2 M Performance Parts carbon fiber hood: see here); at first glance no air vent à la M3/M4 CS and M4 GTS (see here and here) hidden under the camo;
  • double bubble carbon fiber roof (likely the M2 M Performance Parts CF roof: see here);
  • carbon ceramic brakes (CCB) (gold-colored) (optional) as seen on the M3/M4 CS (see here); we may reasonably assume that the '2NH' M Sport Brake will be standard;
  • carbon fiber front spoiler lip (splitter), as seen on the M3/M4 CS (see here); maybe integrated winglets as featuring on the M2 Performance Parts front lip (see here) ?
  • carbon fiber trunk spoiler, as seen on the M3/M4 CS (see here);
  • carbon fiber rear diffuser, as seen on the M3/M4 CS (see here and here);
  • 19" 437M wheels sporting the original M2 (the M2 CS gets 19" 763M wheels);
  • M safety belts, as seen on the M2 Competition;
  • not visible, but unlike the original M2 and M2 Competition, the M2 CS gets the Adaptive M Suspension.
Not present:
  • at first glance this M2 CS test mule does not feature the optional M Alcantara Steering Wheel;
  • at first glance still no sign of the darkened/blackline tail lights that are rolled out to all 2-Series as standard feature, thus including the M2 Competition and M2 CS (see here);
  • at first glance no M2 M Performance Parts functional side air vents hidden under the camo (see here and here); those front fenders would be kinda cool as standout feature to visually distinguish the M2 CS even more from the M2 and M2 Competition (if BMW M reads this post: do it, it's functional - "form follows function", right ?); but in the real world, BMW might just settle for the M2 M Performance Parts carbon fiber air breather side bars (see here);
  • the original M2 and M2 Competition did/do not feature a head-up display option; looks like the M2 CS ain't gonna get it either (unlike the M3/M4 CS).
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      04-16-2019, 12:11 PM   #625
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The exhaust in the above pictures seem like there are no tips installed, not that it's a different tip.
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Wonder why it’s full camo rather than the partial that was seen earlier
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      04-16-2019, 12:31 PM   #627
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hello all

Thanks for posting the pictures, great info like always.

For me the Cs will be just like that, i wish for a different exaust final box, something a bit less of a eye sore. And please say yes for the carbon side vents bmw. Please please.

I´m still number one at my dealer to get one, one foot in and another at the 718 gt4, decisions to be made


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  • at first glance no M2 M Performance Parts functional side air vents hidden under the camo (see here and here); those front fenders would be kinda cool as standout feature to visually distinguish the M2 CS even more from the M2 and M2 Competition (if BMW M reads this post: do it, it's functional - "form follows function", right ?); but in the real world, BMW might just settle for the M2 M Performance Parts carbon fiber air breather side bars (see here);
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And please say yes for the carbon side vents bmw. Please please.
I agree, definitely.

The functional side air vents feature in the M2 M Performance Parts catalogue (BMW part # 41 35 2 449 803 (left) and 41 35 2 449 804 (right) - "Side wall in carbon fiber" - "Seitenwand Carbon"). So BMW M doesn't need to develop those anymore. They could include those on the M2 CS if they want. But will they ?

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The exhaust in the above pictures seem like there are no tips installed, not that it's a different tip.
Comparison:

M4 CS exhaust:


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Wonder why it’s full camo rather than the partial that was seen earlier
Maybe because it's Misano blue?
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The exhaust in the above pictures seem like there are no tips installed, not that it's a different tip.
I recently removed and replaced my M2C exhaust tips. That is exactly what my pipes looked like after tip removal.

I guess either the M2CS will come with MPerformance coil-overs or adaptive suspension.

I'm wondering if there will be any hardware mods on the engine (doubtful) or just a different tune.

It is shaping up to be a great offering by BMW. It'll be interesting to see where the price point comes in at.

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Wonder why it’s full camo rather than the partial that was seen earlier
This was my first thought. My guess is they have fitted all the final production body pieces.
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Yea, I saw all the pics. In my mind it doesn't look like the M2CS has any tips on it.
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It's also missing the s58 muffler we have seen a few times on the M2 that we have seen on the G series cars with the s58.
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Little beast is shaping up great. All the camp on actually looks better rather than 1/2 n 1/2.
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Needs altezza rear lights. lol....
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I agree, definitely.

The functional side air vents feature in the M2 M Performance Parts catalogue (BMW part # 41 35 2 449 803 (left) and 41 35 2 449 804 (right) - "Side wall in carbon fiber" - "Seitenwand Carbon"). So BMW M doesn't need to develop those anymore. They could include those on the M2 CS if they want. But will they ?
I think it depends on where they want the price point to end up - based on the M3/4 CS, we can reasonably expect a significant premium over the M2C.

The question becomes, how much of a premium? The more M performance CF they add from the get-go, the higher the price of admission is going to be.

These vents, for example, look great and it's awesome that they're functional, but how much weight do they save? What is my measurable performance benefit for their respective inclusion?

It will be interesting to see how "far" they go with the existing M performance CF parts on the CS, because each additional CF part that's included from the start will drive the price up.
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Will be eager to get details on the weight for the 6MT version.

'G80 Pure' is losing over 100lbs per reports, so where does the baby M tip the scales at?
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