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      08-13-2021, 12:20 AM   #89
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That's funny and a Ford Probe is no doubt driven by a Proctologist

No. That would be '73 Impala.
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Although NA engine has better throttle response, you need to wring it out to 4000 rpm every time you want to really enjoy it and it doesn't sound as good as the old GT4 engine, that was a masterpiece. The CS engine although turbo charged is the better engine with more thrust, more of the time so you don't need to drive super hard to enjoy it.
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No. That would be '73 Impala.
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Comparison Test: 2020 BMW M2 CS vs. 2021 Porsche 718 Cayman GTS 4.0

BMW used every tool at its disposal to transform the M2 CS into a sports car. But is it as good as Porsche's six-cylinder Cayman GTS?


Link to Article: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...s-40-compared/

"The Porsche is the better car in nearly every regard, a win earned by being exactly the right tool for the job. Still, the BMW wears its flaws in a way that draws you in. More endearing, sillier, and just a bit less under control than the Cayman, the M2 CS is the one you'll remember, the one that will inspire gesture-filled stories beginning with "There I was . . ." "



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Porsche is cheaper, faster and has no understeer.

Now if it had cup 2 it would be even better road holding, P- zero are not that great.

Porsche - there is no substitute.
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A 4 liter atmo is hard to resist honestly…
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That's quite the declaration coming from a BMW fanboy. The Porsche is 300 lbs lighter than the CS, that alone is enough to tell me all I need to know. If I was shopping in that segment it would be Porsche GT4 without a doubt.

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Porsche - there is no substitute.
For a certain market yes.
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Out of the 2 I'd pick the M2cs every time

But if buying today I'd definitely get a new 718 Spyder PDK
Manual Spyder lifetime keeper.

U.K. to £100k here in the U.K. for used 6000 miles but a used CS is about £87k.

Raising allocations and production for Spyder 718s woeful surely be a goldmine. I'm interested but not in picking up some rich kids 4th user Spyder with apparently 5000 miles on the clock at 2 years old and 4 owners. Lots of fishy sounding cars out there.

It's tricky annoying as a BMW guy they refuse to enter certain markets properly. Roadster / dedicates coupe and M1 halo.

Unless 50 years of M is about to prove me wrong (Z4M manual please and M1 hyper)
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While I only had a base 981 Cayman and now drive an OG M2 (both 6mt), I can say the M2 is more fun day to day; with the Cayman being the better sport car overall.

Someone here said it, but the Cayman is much more clinical and less of a hooligan. You are rewarded by driving it neatly and nailing your lines. With the M2, I love sliding it around and riding the mid-range torque. The Cayman definitely feels lighter on its feet but the M2 still feels nimble with a great front end. The big issue with the Cayman as a daily driver (aside from being a 2 seater) is the tall gearing. If you don't have nice back roads or long stretches of straights, it's really a struggle to wind it out past 2nd gear on a daily basis.

Porsche nails the inputs though... the shifter, clutch and steering are better in the Cayman. Like I said the M2 is more of a hooligan and more fun, for me, in how I use my vehicles where I live. If I lived near the canyons, or tracked my cars regularly, I might prefer the Cayman overall. YMMV. That said, I still want a GT4 or a 911
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A 4 liter atmo is hard to resist honestly…
At sea level, yes. At decent altitude? It's really not enough power these days. The output of the S55 just walks it. I cross-shopped the GT350, M2CS, and GT4. All of them were great in their own ways, but at altitude those NA cars felt so much slower.
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At sea level, yes. At decent altitude? It's really not enough power these days. The output of the S55 just walks it. I cross-shopped the GT350, M2CS, and GT4. All of them were great in their own ways, but at altitude those NA cars felt so much slower.
What about below sea level like in the Netherlands ?
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I spent GTS 4.0 money on my M2cs, yes I paid over MSRP. Although I appreciate the track prowess of the GT4, it was not even a consideration. I simply do not like driving a 2 seater.

I love Porsche as a company, they are in a league of their own in terms of engineering and build quality. Their commitment to producing a product that delivers in ways that other companies do not cannot be argued.

BMW makes great cars, but does appeal to a broader demographic. To me the ///M decision has produced cars that speak to me. I have owned many BMW (8 total), most notably 2 E46 M3's, a supercharged E92 M3, and M2c (breifly) and now the the M2cs. The M2cs is a pinnacle car for me and there is not a car made that I would like to replace it with. Perhaps a 992 911s with a SportDesign Aerokit package, however that is simply not a price that is feasible for a man like me.

This car is a weekend toy for me (Never will it see the track), mostly just to get out, clear my head and enjoy driving. The size, power, handling, ride, aesthetics, exclusivity, etc make this car what it is. At least for me.
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M2 cs is my choice from BMW M. But porsche is a different driving experience
Totally agreed. There are so many gt4 and gt3s at my club and there is no question they are better than my m2c but a lot of them, when they see me sliding around, come back and say wow that looks like so much fun. M2 requires a good to great driver; gt4 and gt3 not so much.
I disagree. Or rather I think BMWs are fairly neutral and can be forgiving.

Where as a mid or rear engine car will bite you if you're careless.
M2 is a heavy front engine car it's very easy to understeer in high speed turns. Gt4s are lower to the ground and mid to rear which allows for much more neutral handling. If a gt4 spins off its because it was taking even more speed into a corner than an M2. I can speak for other m cars.
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Porsche "bros" are also overwhelmingly 67 year old dentists so there is that.
Maybe in a specific area code. I personally know 30+ category driving caymans. Getting a boxster for myself next year and still have 20+ years to get there.
I have driven M2 and M2 comp and wasn't impressed. Steering is complete devote of any road feel. Can't say if CS is that much better, but between Cayman S and M2 comp for me personally, there is simply no contest. P car wins by a significant margin.
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Porsche "bros" are also overwhelmingly 67 year old dentists so there is that.
Maybe in a specific area code. I personally know 30+ category driving caymans. Getting a boxster for myself next year and still have 20+ years to get there.
I have driven M2 and M2 comp and wasn't impressed. Steering is complete devote of any road feel. Can't say if CS is that much better, but between Cayman S and M2 comp for me personally, there is simply no contest. P car wins by a significant margin.
I can say that the CS has a much better feel than the M2C. I've driven several 911s, including a GT3 and of course the CS is not the same road feel.

If you are going to do A LOT of at the limit driving for time, the Porsche is your best bet. If you are looking for an extremely rare best driver car BMW has to offer that is a complete hoot even at 50 mph on public roads, the CS fits that bill. The bonus is I can have 70% street fun in the car with my 11 year old son and his best Buddy and impress the hell out of them. Then go fill up groceries for the week.

Another bonus is that I don't feel like I'm being too flashy driving the CS to my office garage filled with Toyota's and Honda's. Yet, I get a lot of attention at cars and coffee.

The CS is the perfect mix of performance and utility for me, and I get to row through the gears. I completely understand the lure of the Porsche though.
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My read of the article was that they enjoyed the CS more even though the Cayman was the "better" car
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Either a four seat more entertaining car
Or a two seat more composed car

Do you want to feel rewarded by driving it right
Will you savor the mistakes and corrections

or

Do you feel rewarded because it drives right
Will you savor the perfection

Different strokes for different folks
Pick your poison
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What about below sea level like in the Netherlands ?
I'd be curious to see how much the increased air density being under sea level would help a NA engine w/ a stock tune. Of course, it's not like we're talking -7000ft sea level here or something like you get with being above.
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That's what 300lbs less pork does to a car... Massive weight advantage P car
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We were just talking about this in another thread with C&D and the M3 vs Alfa.

The M2 is a coupe, as is the Cayman. Which is like saying that Arnold Schwarzenegger is a man, and so is Pee Wee.

The Cayman might be the better sports car, but it's not saddled with a useful backseat, nor does it share its architecture with a dozen other Porsches. The CS is already sold out, and you're not cross shopping them.

Again with the "feel". If that were the case, wed all be buying the same cars. I hate "feel". I love how it feels…to me. Which might not be relevant to you.
Also the M2 is probably a more safer car. The 2 series was recognized by IIHS as a safe car, not sure about the Cayman.

In general there is less data out there on Porsche's safety in my opinion. I don't see much on IIHS's website.
Volvo guy took a wrong turn…
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I don't really understand these comparisons, but especially don't understand the need to get worked up over them. Who cares! Different cars...different pros and cons...buy what suites you!
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