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I read that the other day and found it quite "annoying" to read. It sounded like some 8th grade paper on how to use Metaphors. I don't follow much Car&Driver but it popped up in my feed. A waste of 3 minutes...
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I like Red Delicious Apples.
I like Navel Oranges too, but you can't make a good pie out of oranges.
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Does it become a tart when citrus in thrown in? This is interesting.
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I daily drive stick, sure if PDK makes it work for you. So it’s not a hard pass as you stated. Even the GT3 comes with PDK if you want.
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I also daily drive my GT4 when the weather is nice. Nothing but pure, sublime bliss. Honestly one of the best manual gearboxes in any car, bar none, and I definitely use all the gears. It sounds like most here have no experience with the GT4/Spyder or GTS models so I wouldn't expect them to understand how connected and how fun this car is to drive. IMO it's more fun than any turbo car I've owned or driven - and I've owned a ton of them (991.2S, Macan S, Macan GTS, , F80 M3, F82 M4, F90 M5C with 850 hp).
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The big piece to this is honestly the engine. If I lived at sea level I might have considered the GT4 a bit more, but when you're driving consistently at 6000ft+ altitudes the output of the GT4 just isn't enough to justify the $100k price tag IMO. Once you account for the power loss the CS is up at least 150HP/TQ.
Finally, the tune of the CS is the best feeling turbo car i've ever driven. Mostly because it doesn't really feel like one. It feels closer to the power delivery of a 400-500HP LS to me, but with the ability to rev a bit more. |
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I totally understand being at elevation too...that's a shame. Realistically the M2CS makes about 20-25% more power than the GT4 given it is underrated. Last edited by HeelToeShift; 07-09-2021 at 09:38 AM.. |
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Not to add fuel to the fire, but at a recent 1M meet, we had a guy there who had owned a GT4 and his 1M at the same time but couldn't keep both. He got rid of the GT4 because the tall gearing made it boring on the roads he drove on 95% of the time. His words.
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I have no experience with the GT4, but I did drive a 997 GT3 for a while. It was too good to fully appreciate 95% of the time. The 5% of the time when I was able to let it rip, it was amazing. You can call that a pro or a con. These high HP cars are so hard to appreciate on the street.
I feel like the CS does a pretty good job with the gearing and low end torque to make it still fun daily, but even the CS gets you in potential trouble with the law in 4 seconds. Any track time or as a third car, I'd give the GT4 a hard look. The Cayman GTS just doesn't fit the bill for me in case I want more than 1 passenger, 2 sets of golf clubs or a full trip to the grocery store. Before kids, I daily drove a Viper GTS, so I get that any of these cars can be a daily. |
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It’s funny this is a complaint as Porsche uses very similar gearing on all manual transmissions. I believe the 992 manual is maybe a little shorter, but still about the same. I’ve never read a review where they complain about long gearing on the 992 manual. But if it bothers you, the PDK is slightly shorter geared and you can put it in manual mode and shift that way. |
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I'm very happy with the decision I made. I can imagine the P car fits the brief for many - and the CS really is perfect for me - I like the turbo engine, extra seats, boot storage and looks. I'll keep an eye out for a good P car next step - could be a 911 or more likely a cross turismo (up against the G81 Touring). |
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There are a few owner reviews on here that ditched that car because of the gearing. To be honest I found my e36 318is more fun than my e36 M3 on public roads for actual driving fun rather than showing off. The thing I love about the CS is that it somehow manages to be fun even at lower speeds. That's some accomplishment considering how capable it is.
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