12-07-2017, 10:40 AM | #1211 |
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There will be no M2 CSL.
Also, there will be an M5 hybrid. Now, who would've thought that would happen. Edit: When I say there will be no M2 CSL, what I mean is that whatever team was working on the M2 CSL has been officially asked to do something else. This was also announced at an internal event. The official wording was on the lines of "We will be stopping work on the M2 CSL". These words were spoken by a very "Frank" person. ynguldyn : Please chime in here. Last edited by Gatte; 12-07-2017 at 10:45 AM.. |
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Is that because they’ve finished development work on the CSL and are moving onto their next project?
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FWIW if you're hitting 400whp with FBO and stage 1 you are either at sea level and moderately stressing the turbo or you're at altitude and severely stressing the turbo. What I'm hearing is that peak boost, stock, can hit 20psi at altitude. This should be a concern to anyone thinking we can hit S55 M2 numbers with no risk. There is definitely risk. Add heat and altitude and your risk gets significantly higher.
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Words from the horses mouth itself ! Sad times indeed.
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"CSL" = "Coupé Sport Leichtbau" = Coupé Sport Lightweight construction. So Gatte, regarding the more track-oriented M2 variant: was it a change from "M2 CSL" to "M2 CS" during development, or was only the "M2 CS" planned right from the start ?
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Not surprising considering the current state of M4 GTS market.
Little do they know if they built an all-out CSL model with a manual gearbox, they would sell out instantly. If a CS model is coming now as well as the Competition. That further cements the idea of the Competition not getting a big msrp bump. It will be the more standard car, just with more available options. CS will have everything standard plus some other goodies, with the CS ridiculous price tag. Last edited by hellrotm; 12-07-2017 at 02:54 PM.. |
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This whole thing is weird. Didn't BMW confirm not too long ago there would be a CSL variant? If so it's odd that they just suddenly pulled the plug on the CSL. My mind is racing with plausible "why" hypothesis for shutting this down. I have many, but what's the point in burning calories for nothing. It seems that BMW cannot make up its mind. M2 CS, no M2 Competition, no M2 CS, no, no, no, M2 CSL... we meant "no M2 CSL". FFS
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Hi,
Can we still order the M2 Competition starting January 2018? My number is up and dealer is asking if I want to go ahead and order the M2. Now if Comp package ordering is starting in January 2018 then I might as well wait a little. Please let us know if you have any additional info. Thanks!
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I am assuming that there was a plan at some point to make the CSL which is why it was announced that they will be stopping work on that. A few weeks ago, I was told that they were contemplating scrapping the CS and having just "one other model" which I assumed at that point would be the CSL. Nothing was spoken about the CS. I am assuming it is still on since I was told that the M2 CS has been ready for a very long time now and because parts belonging to the CS were recently used somewhere. Last edited by Gatte; 12-07-2017 at 08:31 PM.. |
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12-07-2017, 11:19 PM | #1228 |
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I don't think the project has been axed...may be on the back-burner for now
After all the CSL initiative was from the highest so plenty of pull to proceed forward when the time is right I believe pricing on the competition model will be pretty aggressive as it is not a limited edition model. They will go for volume rather then a steeper margin as it has to be competitive with the RS3s, A45 AMGs...etc As such I see a max of 10-15% increment in price |
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Dont see how the turbo is being stressed. Its getting less heat soak with the sports DP and its pumping cooler air into the engine. Boost levels at and under 18psi |
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The consensus is that the M2 Competition will be replacing the base M2. If that is indeed what happens, BMW cannot and most probably will not be able to raise the price of the car too much. It would mostly be priced in the low 60K USD range. At that point, you need to ask yourself what people would opt for: Whether it would be a new N55 M2 at 53K or new S55 M2 at 60K. I would personally go for the S55 equipped M2 at 60K even if I could get a used 2018 N55 M2 at a discount of say 50K USD. But that's just me. A lot of people here including current M2 owners swear by the N55 exhaust and state that as the reason for preferring the N55 equipped M2 even at the expense of maybe some of the performance. If I was in your shoes, I would sell now and wait for the competition and/or another variant. I did something similar with my M235i and got out before the resale values really plummeted. |
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