[JCZ5]

I guess there is always two camps to this. I can't imagine a car without a touchscreen nowadays to fully support CarPlay. After all, I feel it is actually much easier to tap to exactly what you're looking for. With the iDrive knob, remember it goes through the selection in a sequence. So i actually need to look at the screen longer to see where my selection lands vs. just tapping to the selection directly.

I previously mentioned the Lexus LC500 as being a fantastic car, but it's major downfall is a lack of a touchscreen. No matter your personal opinion, the trend is to move everything to a large screen. Adapt or fall behind in the market because auto companies cannot just cater to "enthusiasts"

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Poochie

No worries. I never sense you are 'talking down' by 'dumbing it down.'

I do what you said in CarPlay, which is using the turn knob to scroll around and select. Works fine for my needs.

That said, more advanced users - meaning almost everyone but me - probably engage and want a lot more out of the iDrive than I require. So, I understand why having 'better' touchscreen control could be desirable.

///AVM

P.S. I think I would absolutely despise something like the Tesla, where EVERYTHING is on basically a big iPad. I know how to use an iPad just fine, but I simply like reaching out and touching a 'knob' to adjust temperature, volume, etc. I do not like navigating a screen while driving. Similarly, I do not require any fancy features while driving. . . I might be very alone in these regards?

I'm a tech junky myself and I just despise using the touch screen over the iDrive controller.

If I have friends with me, I might play with it bit, to show off the tech, i.e. touch screen and CarPlay but when I'm alone - and this is a fact - I absolutely never use the touchscreen input or even remember that it was capable of touch inputs.. 🤷🏻

I really can't put my finger on it (pun intended) but the touch ability never really appealed to me, like say how it does on my iPhone or iPad.. It feels like it's there to merely keep with the competition's offerings and the modern-era, touchscreen generation.

However, I totally get BMW's position and support them offering it, even though it's implementation felt like an afterthought.

I would trade up for a better quality display like an OLED over the standard LED screen, any day of the week and not miss a thing.


BMW's reasoning for giving in to the touchscreen technology:

[Davil]

Originally Posted by Poochie

I'm a tech junky myself and I just despise using the touch screen over the iDrive controller.

I prefer the iDrive thingy and I write touch based user interfaces for a living.

Even my 15 year old son thinks "it's cool" and prefers it.

Bonus is that there are no smudges on the screen.

[richard in NC]

I have rarely used carplay. Waze and a few other apps could be useful but I'm so used to the BMW nav, I don't see a need for Apple or Google Maps.

Besides the iDrive controller and the touch screen, I use voice a lot, although the M2C can be a bit loud and make the car not understand me.

The M550i is very quiet and voice works well for it. Add in gesture control, and it has 4 possible control methods, 5 counting steering wheel buttons. I've used them all, but 90% of the time, I use the controller, or steering wheel buttons for volume, song/channel skip, etc.

[JCZ5]

Originally Posted by richard in NC

I have rarely used carplay. Waze and a few other apps could be useful but I'm so used to the BMW nav, I don't see a need for Apple or Google Maps.

Besides the iDrive controller and the touch screen, I use voice a lot, although the M2C can be a bit loud and make the car not understand me.

The M550i is very quiet and voice works well for it. Add in gesture control, and it has 4 possible control methods, 5 counting steering wheel buttons. I've used them all, but 90% of the time, I use the controller, or steering wheel buttons for volume, song/channel skip, etc.

So the benefit of CarPlay maps is the ability to receive up to date live info from Apple and Google. Waze, of course as the added benefit of crowdsourcing info. In those regards, CarPlay functionality is far superior than BMW's own internal functionality. However, that is not to say the native system is useless.

In regards to using the touchscreen or iDrive. I feel that with iDrive 6, I gravitate to using iDrive if I am in the BMW native system. But for CarPlay, obviously touchscreen. As you can see, how both systems are designed encourages you to use one of the other. The BMW native system (iDrive 6) is packaged in a scrolling linear manner. However CarPlay, you can certainly scroll to your functionality, but it's non-linear.

[BigKutta]

I enjoy CarPlay functionality but I dont connect via carplay daily. I like the use of my 8 programmable buttons on the dash in which i store the phone book, and some frequently used numbers. With carplay the access to the phone book via those buttons is disabled.

I also like the BMW nav because I can send destinations to the NAV before leaving home via the app. I suppose this will only last until the free service lasts, which I think is 4year/50k?

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by BigKutta

. . . I suppose this will only last until the free service lasts, which I think is 4year/50k?

Kutta

Plenty of time . . . we will be on the G87 M2/M2C subform long before the F87 service runs up.

///AVM

[BigKutta]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Kutta

Plenty of time . . . we will be on the G87 M2/M2C subform long before the F87 service runs up.

///AVM

Yeah brotha! Although a 718 may be too tempting by then (and I can keep my F87)

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by BigKutta

Yeah brotha! Although a 718 may be too tempting by then (and I can keep my F87)

You are killing me brother . . . you know that!

///AVM

Edit: I do not have a crystal ball, but in my mind I will own ONE car in 1-2 years and it will be either a G87 M2/M2C or a GT3.

[///AVM]

JC

Thread participants fully anticipate no less than 20 pics of your new beast by this Sunday at sundown!

///AVM

[BigKutta]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

You are killing me brother . . . you know that!

///AVM

Edit: I do not have a crystal ball, but in my mind I will own ONE car in 1-2 years and it will be either a G87 M2/M2C or a GT3.

I am just trying to follow your lead, man....

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by BigKutta

I am just trying to follow your lead, man....

Kutta

You might want to read the below post I put up in another post, literally like an hour before you made your post, which is why I said you 'were killing me.'

Owning two cars has not added up to 'twice the fun' for me. I do not buy cars to have them sit around and waiting for the weekend, and I cannot enjoy either as much as I like on a daily basis.

///AVM

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...8;postcount=81

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by Poochie

. . . 1,200 mile break-in service . . .

Poochie

Always seems to be a thread popping up about the so-called 1,200 mile break-in service. Not going to rehash topic as I think you know my opinion by now.

That said, one aspect of the topic that we recently discussed pertained to why BMW still even does the 1,200 mile break in service, and why they only perform them on ///M cars?

I was looking at a new G80 M3 Competition build another forum member just posted. On the build sheet it indicates 10,000mi/12-month oil change. This SUGGESTS to me that BMW is abandoning the 1,200 mile break-in service?

Your interpretation?

///AVM

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Poochie

Always seems to be a thread popping up about the so-called 1,200 mile break-in service. Not going to rehash topic as I think you know my opinion by now.

That said, one aspect of the topic that we recently discussed pertained to why BMW still even does the 1,200 mile break in service, and why they only perform them on ///M cars?

I was looking at a new G80 M3 Competition build another forum member just posted. On the build sheet it indicates 10,000mi/12-month oil change. This SUGGESTS to me that BMW is abandoning the 1,200 mile break-in service?

Your interpretation?

///AVM

You can't just leave well enough alone, can you!

J/k

It's very possible that they did in fact abandon the 1,200 service, specifically on the G82 M4 and future M models, especially since within the last couple of years, they've been slowly cutting corners, with their inclusive maintenance service.

However, the X3/X4M shares the same exact motor as the future G82 M4 (S58) and that still has the 1,200 mile service listed. 🤷🏻

Funny enough, they also mentioned the exact reason they implemented the early service, in M models..

Spoiler alert, it has nothing to do with break-in fluid needing to be flush out or if the service is ignored, the car will not spontaneous combust into flame - as I suspected, it has more to do with supplementary preventive maintenance, since the assumption is that M cars would be driver much harder, than the standard BMW fleet.


https://www.bmwusa.com/explore/bmw-v...nty-books.html

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by Poochie

You can't just leave well enough alone, can you! J/K

Hahaha . . . of course, nobody ever complained about getting the 'free' 1,200 mile break-in service.

I was just following-up on the heels of recent discussion where it was suggested the service was a bit antiquated and based on older engine models that likely required/benefitted from early oil change.

The build included in my prior post was for a new G80 M3 Competition and showed 10,000miles/12-month oil change. Couple points about this . . .

1. The 1,200 mile break-in service (e.g., with M2C) is not just 1,200 miles. there is also a time component, which I believe is 6-months from time of build - whichever comes first. Many new owners do not know this and question why their service did the service 'early.'

2. I could be wrong, but I do not believe the M2C includes a 10,000 mile/12-month oil change? That would be kind of redundant to have two oil changes within first 12-months?

3. The G80 M3 build states 'oil change.' I assume it includes engine and rear-axle differential, and BMW just changed the miles/time frame of first service from 1,200/6 to 10,000/12?

#3 becomes relevant because, unlike most, I do not believe in a 'break-in period.' I am from the 'drive it in' school of thought - drive it like you stole it out of the gate. I have a hard time believing BMW would expect anyone to 'break-in' their engine for 10,000miles/12-months. . . perhaps BMW is also adopting the 'drive it in' mentality as well?

///AVM

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Hahaha . . . of course, nobody ever complained about getting the 'free' 1,200 mile break-in service.

I was just following-up on the heels of recent discussion where it was suggested the service was a bit antiquated and based on older engine models that likely required/benefitted from early oil change.

The build included in my prior post was for a new G80 M3 Competition and showed 10,000miles/12-month oil change. Couple points about this . . .

1. The 1,200 mile break-in service (e.g., with M2C) is not just 1,200 miles. there is also a time component, which I believe is 6-months from time of build - whichever comes first. Many new owners do not know this and question why their service did the service 'early.'

2. I could be wrong, but I do not believe the M2C includes a 10,000 mile/12-month oil change? That would be kind of redundant to have two oil changes within first 12-months?

3. The G80 M3 build states 'oil change.' I assume it includes engine and rear-axle differential, and BMW just changed the miles/time frame of first service from 1,200/6 to 10,000/12?

#3 becomes relevant because, unlike most, I do not believe in a 'break-in period.' I am from the 'drive it in' school of thought - drive it like you stole it out of the gate. I have a hard time believing BMW would expect anyone to 'break-in' their engine for 10,000miles/12-months. . . perhaps BMW is also adopting the 'drive it in' mentality as well?

///AVM

I don't want to speculate on the possible removal of the 1,200 mile service on the G82, until I get a secondary confirmation that it is in fact removed.

I just checked an old build sheet from a 2016 F82 M4 and it does list the "10,000miles/12-months" notation, so the concept is not foreign to M cars.

The oil change system in all BMWs are condition based, meaning for someone who drives like a grandma, their oil change interval is going to be longer, than say someone who guns it, at every stoplight.

So that 10k service is a rough estimate, give or take.

I'm with you in believing that BMW is not going to entrust the average laymen to properly break in a vehicle, had it been that detrimental to the vehicle's longevity, when they are the ones on the hook, for the first four years of repairs.

In fact, high performance Lexus (LFA) and Acura NSX (2020) already come broken in, from the factory.

To a degree, I could only imagine BMW follows suit, especially on their high-performance M models..


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[///AVM]

Originally Posted by Poochie

I just checked an old build sheet form a 2016 F82 M4 and it does list the "10,000miles/12-months" notation, so the concept is not foreign to M cars . . .

Poochie

More good stuff . . . you always dig up the goods.

///AVM

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Poochie

More good stuff . . . you always dig up the goods.

///AVM

Thanx ☺️

What can I say, I'm a nerd's nerd - I'm only kind of guy that used to buy Playboy magazine - for the actual articles..

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Thanx ☺️

What can I say, I'm a nerd's nerd - I'm only kind of guy that used to buy Playboy magazine - for the actual articles..

As Dave says, sometime we just have to make our own topics up to keep the mojo flowing. . . I'm going to switch gears, so to speak, real quick.

Brother JC pointed out the article below to me a day, or so ago.

Incase anyone hasn't noticed, JC has been quiet past couple days, as he is traveling to obtain his new beast. Being in a priaprismic state, he has been unable to post the short article below.

Astounding but, then again, not surprising. Poochie thought you particularly enjoy it.

///AVM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mot...made-2020/amp/

[AUSf22]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Poochie

Always seems to be a thread popping up about the so-called 1,200 mile break-in service. Not going to rehash topic as I think you know my opinion by now.

That said, one aspect of the topic that we recently discussed pertained to why BMW still even does the 1,200 mile break in service, and why they only perform them on ///M cars?

I was looking at a new G80 M3 Competition build another forum member just posted. On the build sheet it indicates 10,000mi/12-month oil change. This SUGGESTS to me that BMW is abandoning the 1,200 mile break-in service?

Your interpretation?

///AVM

AVM, your M2C has a similar code on your VIN. (S8KA 24mnths/30,000kms)

Please don't get too confused, it is merely the computer reminder, so when you reset the interval light it will push it forward with these dates and times.

I use to look at BMW VINs all day long at work so this is nothing out of the normal.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by AUSf22

I use to look at BMW VINs all day long at work so this is nothing out of the normal.

Side note, I know it was by chance but thanks for posting the option code for BMW's "deadlocking" feature (S8TGA Thiefproofing device).

Which is not available US but I was always trying to figure out the option code destination. Now I have


Family locked in car - 330i https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1679541

https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=25595520

[AUSf22]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Side note, I know it was by chance but thanks for posting the option code for BMW's "deadlocking" feature (S8TGA Thiefproofing device).

Which is not available US but I was always trying to figure out the option code destination. Now I have


https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=25595520

Genius! good job, BMW NA spec their cars very differently.

Each country has their own BMW head office that chooses how the cars are optioned and what packages to make available for their respective region.

Just to touch on the servicing you guys mentioned earlier. Servicing is conditional based so bmw will change the oil according to the iDrive.

It's either the interval time or kms traveled (whichever comes first). If the key read does not tell them to change the oil then they won't.
If you do an interim change and reset the oil light, then you may miss the on schedule service as the keyread will say the oil is not due... so it's best to not reset the oil light during the interim services.