[ried]

Originally Posted by bimmer4life24

I'm predicting $56,900 base.

If it's DCT only, $59,900 base.

*not including D&H (so +$995)

Oh it'll be more than that. BMW realizes that it has a little fireball on its hands with the M2, and they won't miss the opportunity to increase profit margins dramatically on the CS version. They'll tack on plenty of extras, including carbon ceramic brakes, and you'll be looking at $70K+ easily.

Also, can we note that the CS will be MY 2019, with delivery starting in 2018. This thing is still almost two years away!

[Transfer]

So for those of us who are completely satisfied with the power output of the current M2, are there any other reasons to go for an M2 S55 car? Certainly NOT the noise but maybe throttle response? Decreased lag? Glitzy engine bay?

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by ried

This thing is still almost two years away!

I'm guessing I'll get thrashed for this:

The best things in life come to those who wait.

[ex12psi]

Originally Posted by Transfer

So for those of us who are completely satisfied with the power output of the current M2, are there any other reasons to go for an M2 S55 car? Certainly NOT the noise but maybe throttle response? Decreased lag? Glitzy engine bay?

i've had both S55 F80 M3 and now the N55 F87 M2.

The S55 is a more "special" motor compared to the N55. The S55 has more M character (I've also had E36, E46, E90, M3's)... dry sump, more mechanical feel/character, its more special, its a bespoke motor, the N55 is not. In comparison it makes the N55 motor feel "regular". I've also had a few mezger motors so I totally get the whole bespoke motor thing. I also like the sounds of the F80 M3 much better. Less deep tuner special exhaust sounds, more mechanical noises from engine and exhaust. N55 is nice and all, but S55 all day every day.

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by ex12psi

i've had both S55 F80 M3 and now the N55 F87 M2.

The S55 is a more "special" motor compared to the N55. The S55 has more M character (I've also had E36, E46, E90, M3's)... dry sump, more mechanical feel/character, its more special, its a bespoke motor, the N55 is not. In comparison it makes the N55 motor feel "regular". I've also had a few mezger motors so I totally get the whole bespoke motor thing. I also like the sounds of the F80 M3 much better. Less deep tuner special exhaust sounds, more mechanical noises from engine and exhaust. N55 is nice and all, but S55 all day every day.

S55 doesn't have a dry sump....AFAIK none of the street M3 in the past had it.

N55 is smoother but feels way less powerful*, that's for sure
So a mild tune/IC/DP whatever and you're good to go with N55(?)



*on top end. low/midrange the N55 feels more powerful/less lag.


Cheers
Robin

[ex12psi]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

S55 doesn't have a dry sump....AFAIK none of the street M3 in the past had it.

N55 is smoother but feels way less powerful*, that's for sure
So a mild tune/IC/DP whatever and you're good to go with N55(?)



*on top end. low/midrange the N55 feels more powerful/less lag.


Cheers
Robin

i stand corrected, no dry sump, thanks.

i agree the N55 feels smoother but this isnt a good characteristic to me. i like the rough and edgy feel of the S55, more mechanical. i prefer this to the more 'normal' feeling N55 which arguably is "smoother"

I totally agree the S55 feels MUCH more powerful!

[ex12psi]

Originally Posted by Gatte

I'm guessing I'll get thrashed for this:

The best things in life come to those who wait.

but what are we waiting for? the M2 is out right now so go fucking enjoy it! then when the M2 CS comes out, dump the M2 and go fucking enjoy the CS. rinse and repeat

[bimmer4life24]

Originally Posted by ried

Oh it'll be more than that. BMW realizes that it has a little fireball on its hands with the M2, and they won't miss the opportunity to increase profit margins dramatically on the CS version. They'll tack on plenty of extras, including carbon ceramic brakes, and you'll be looking at $70K+ easily.

Also, can we note that the CS will be MY 2019, with delivery starting in 2018. This thing is still almost two years away!

IMO, I don't see it being priced above the M3/4 unless it is a GTS (it's not and I believe BMW will create a GTS in the future). Main differences will be the engine and aerodynamics.

Don't get me wrong here, I believe the car will have many other performance OPTIONS that can take the M2 CS over the M3/4 price tag. As OP stated, ceramic breaks and other performance additions may be OPTIONS. Engine and aerodynamics will be standard (S55, splitter, spoiler, CF roof, etc.) These are all STANDARD on current M3/4's. So how can an M2 CS cost more than the M3/4?? (which does not have a detuned S55, is bigger, and more luxurious).

Again, all just my opinion and thought process.

[DD335i]

Originally Posted by Gatte

I'm guessing I'll get thrashed for this:

The best things in life come to those who wait.

+1.

In all aspects.

[Verdi]

Originally Posted by bimmer4life24

IMO, I don't see it being priced above the M3/4 unless it is a GTS (it's not and I believe BMW will create a GTS in the future). Main differences will be the engine and aerodynamics.

Don't get me wrong here, I believe the car will have many other performance OPTIONS that can take the M2 CS over the M3/4 price tag. As OP stated, ceramic breaks and other performance additions may be OPTIONS. Engine and aerodynamics will be standard (S55, splitter, spoiler, CF roof, etc.) These are all STANDARD on current M3/4's. So how can an M2 CS cost more than the M3/4?? (which does not have a detuned S55, is bigger, and more luxurious).

Again, all just my opinion and thought process.

If the rumours are true that the M2 CS is 8 seconds faster around the Nordschleife you can bet your ass that it will cost mucho dineros. Why? Well who knows? But that's how it works. People will pay premium to be able to brag about lap times.

[Bluesummer]

thank god I sold my '15 M4. LMFAO.

[Durham M2 CS]

Another interesting take which suggests CS will take over the current model M2, as opposed to a limited run or additional variant:

http://www.bmwblog.com/2016/11/29/ru...5-engine-m3m4/

[Kief]

Originally Posted by M2 CSL

I can almost guarantee you will take a bigger hit on your, "Sakhir '17 M3 ZCP" when it comes time to sell vs what you would have on the M2.

Probably, but I'm no stranger to depreciation hits due to my pervasive vehicular ADHD! Hell, I just unloaded my '16 Jag F-Type Coupe R after only 10 months of ownership--talk about a "hit!" Then again, it was a six figure Jag, so it wasn't unexpected.

[auf Deutsch]

Originally Posted by M2Durham

Another interesting take which suggests CS will take over the current model M2, as opposed to a limited run or additional variant:

http://www.bmwblog.com/2016/11/29/ru...5-engine-m3m4/

Yep, this has been extensively discussed here as well. So in a sense, the civic M2 could end up being a quasi-limited run with its '16 and '17 model years at relatively low production. She'll hold her value quite well me thinks.

[PackPride85]

Originally Posted by M2Durham

Another interesting take which suggests CS will take over the current model M2, as opposed to a limited run or additional variant:

http://www.bmwblog.com/2016/11/29/ru...5-engine-m3m4/

Considering the limited amount of production slots available at the Leipzig plant, this very well could be possible. I would expect the profit margin to be quite a bit higher on the CS model if that's the case.

[rosenbergendo]

Number one on list of the largest BMW dealer in US with deep connections to BMW corporate. Their info is-M2 CS is real. S55 motor with other bits. It initially is approved only for Europe, although I cant imagine how this won't be coming to us in the USA. No idea on price or what happens to base M2. Is base M2 gone? Do all versions get S55? B58 for base car? No one knows.

[Luminous]

From what I've heard we will be seeing an S55 M2 starting in MY2018, so around summer/fall of calendar year 2017. The buzz on the German forums is that the N55 will no longer meet the euro new car emissions requirements starting in early 2018 so it looks like BMW will finally retire the N55, not to mention it's only being used in the current M2 and the X4M40i, which will be getting the B58 next year.

Also, apparently there will NOT be a GTS version, a hardcore CSL version will probably be released closer to the end of F80/82 production. The CS will most likely not be super hardcore and will be similar to a competition package.

FWIW.

[Luminous]

Originally Posted by Luminous

From what I've heard we will be seeing an S55 M2 starting in MY2018, so around summer/fall of calendar year 2017. The buzz on the German forums is that the N55 will no longer meet the euro new car emissions requirements starting in early 2018 so it looks like BMW will finally retire the N55, not to mention it's only being used in the current M2 and the X4M40i, which will be getting the B58 next year.

Also, apparently there will NOT be a GTS version, a hardcore CSL version will probably be released closer to the end of F80/82 production. The CS will most likely not be super hardcore and will be similar to a competition package.

FWIW.

Screenshot from 2ertalk forum:

[blackholescion]

Originally Posted by Luminous

From what I've heard we will be seeing an S55 M2 starting in MY2018, so around summer/fall of calendar year 2017. The buzz on the German forums is that the N55 will no longer meet the euro new car emissions requirements starting in early 2018 so it looks like BMW will finally retire the N55, not to mention it's only being used in the current M2 and the X4M40i, which will be getting the B58 next year.

Nope. 2019MY/2018 calendar year. http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...&postcount=114

[Luminous]

Originally Posted by blackholescion

Nope. 2019MY/2018 calendar year. http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...&postcount=114

What I'm saying is, BMW will likely replace the N55 with the S55 in the base M2 starting MY2018. Whether they call it CS or not who knows.

[blackholescion]

Originally Posted by Luminous

What I'm saying is, BMW will likely replace the N55 with the S55 in the base M2 starting MY2018. Whether they call it CS or not who knows.

They simply won't. The LCI does not include a motor change (minor changes only) and it's the only M2 in 2018MY. The German forum is just like our forum. They don't know more or less, and I'd trust the word of a dependable source with a proven track record.

EDIT: Also, if it's emissions related, that starts in 2018 like you said. Europe operates on a calendar year. So their 2018 calendar year is our actual MY2019.

[csbear]

Originally Posted by Luminous

What I'm saying is, BMW will likely replace the N55 with the S55 in the base M2 starting MY2018. Whether they call it CS or not who knows.

That would be a very aggressive move by BMW to put the S55 in the M2 so quickly.... essentially 7-10 months from now? Seems too quick...