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      05-28-2014, 03:21 PM   #375
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i'm guessing something like 100 - 150 lbs lighter.

they aren't going to be able to work a miracle here and keep this thing reasonably cheap.

that is why i kind of wanted them to go with the S20 or S48.

the 1M didnt have a CF roof, but lets say this one does (or at the very least doesn't have a moonroof, which on the m235i amazingly is an option... moonroof delete).

given the car will have a LSD which actually adds weight, i'd figure, if they make the roof CF AND it doesnt have a moonroof , then that comparison would look pretty good. Lets say they give it an aluminum hood (i'm always amazed they already don't do this, there are economy cars with aluminum hoods.... my 2005 G35 had one too) , and front quarter panels and CF prop shaft

the track will be wider and maybe that adds a little weight too.

so given some parts actually weigh mmore, i think i'd be happy if the car had a gross weight of 3400lbs (the 8AT m235i is 3535lbs gross weight according to bmw)
You make some good points. If they add the MDCT that will also add more weight as well. And I am not sure they will add the CF roof. They might just not.
3400lbs will be unacceptable to me. If BMW doesn't make a significantly different M2 compared to the M235i then I wont bother.
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      05-28-2014, 03:28 PM   #376
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The thing is BMW made the M235i so good so that new owners can get a taste of what driving and owning a real M could be like. This they have succeeded, but that would mean a lot of M235i owners wanting more when their lease ends, or in 2- 3 years when they want a new car will be excited to get into a full fledged M2 that to me should be significantly superior to the M235i. Otherwise what's the point in spending more for an M2 when the M235i is already so good? I do not think BMW will disappoint.
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      05-28-2014, 05:59 PM   #377
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The M2 will be lighter than the 1M... have a CF roof, drive shaft and front quarter panels.
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      05-28-2014, 06:12 PM   #378
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The M2 will be lighter than the 1M... have a CF roof, drive shaft and front quarter panels.
Is this your opinion or have you read some specific info on these details?
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      05-28-2014, 06:53 PM   #379
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The thing is BMW made the M235i so good so that new owners can get a taste of what driving and owning a real M could be like. This they have succeeded, but that would mean a lot of M235i owners wanting more when their lease ends, or in 2- 3 years when they want a new car will be excited to get into a full fledged M2 that to me should be significantly superior to the M235i. Otherwise what's the point in spending more for an M2 when the M235i is already so good? I do not think BMW will disappoint.
This is an interesting perspective, especially when you factor in how crowded the field is, even within the BMW marque, at that price point. Within a range of probably less than $10,000, you could drive an M235i, a 435i, or an M2. All have points of their own appeal.

That said, I think BMW will easily sell every M2 they build, at or above MSRP, for quite a while.
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      05-28-2014, 07:54 PM   #380
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You make some good points. If they add the MDCT that will also add more weight as well. And I am not sure they will add the CF roof. They might just not.
3400lbs will be unacceptable to me. If BMW doesn't make a significantly different M2 compared to the M235i then I wont bother.
Even 3400lbs would be optimistic. Being that the 8AT M235 is 3535lbs (which is only 20lbs lighter than the 8AT 335, by the way), and M cars typically add weight over the series derivative. The F80 DCT M3, even with all its highly touted weight reduction strategies, weighs in at 3595lbs - 40lbs heavier than an 8AT 335.

As much as I'd like to see the M2 be a true lightweight, I don't see how it's feasible...but regardless, it will be a great car.
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(which is only 20lbs lighter than the 8AT 335, by the way)
This right here is why I will probably end up in a 435, rather than a 235 or M2, once my F10 lease is up. The weight advantage is not substantial on the 2 series, and the 4 provides quite a bit more usable room, especially in the back. Lower center of gravity as well, if I read correctly.

As I said above, the M2 (and the M235i) are very interesting cars - but at their price point the choice isn't necessarily clear, even within BMW's own offerings.
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I really don't get how people on this forum trash I4's in one breathe, and say the e30 M3 is the best M car ever made in the next.
It's simple, they're different people. I hate 4 cylinder engines and I also think the E30 M3 is massively overrated. It was an insanely great car for its time and in the context of its contemporaries, but the price they go for today is ridiculous. I honestly wouldn't even pay $10,000 for a clean one.

I wouldn't even consider an M2 with a 4 cylinder. I'll happily take the extra weight to get the smoothness, sound, and power delivery of a bigger motor with less boost.
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Dear 1M owners,

Sell your cars before it's too late
Whilst I'd be tempted to sell my 1M for an M2, I do have reservations. Namely that if the M2 is not a limited run car, it's likely to depreciate quite heavily.

So far, the 1M has remained very strong and judging by the recent offers I've had on the car, it's lost about 11% of it's value in nearly three years!

I'm still really enjoying my 1M and whilst the prices may drop slightly when the M2 comes out, I'm still going to be in a good position overall given the lack of depreciation over the last 3 years.

If the M2 turns out to be a superb car (which I'm sure it will), then I may reconsider, but that aside, it's still nice to own one of the very limited run 1M's
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Whilst I'd be tempted to sell my 1M for an M2, I do have reservations. Namely that if the M2 is not a limited run car, it's likely to depreciate quite heavily.

So far, the 1M has remained very strong and judging by the recent offers I've had on the car, it's lost about 11% of it's value in nearly three years!

I'm still really enjoying my 1M and whilst the prices may drop slightly when the M2 comes out, I'm still going to be in a good position overall given the lack of depreciation over the last 3 years.

If the M2 turns out to be a superb car (which I'm sure it will), then I may reconsider, but that aside, it's still nice to own one of the very limited run 1M's
I will be forever pissed that I didn't get a 1M - the timing was off for me, as I was mid-lease on my 135 AND I did a poor job of planning....

I think 1M owners are in a great position, as you have an awesome car to enjoy as you see the development of the M2 come to pass. I also think that there will be plenty of people wanting to pay good money for a 1M, even after the M2 is released.

Being a limited production car, and basically a cult classic already, there will always be a market for that little beast.
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Whilst I'd be tempted to sell my 1M for an M2, I do have reservations. Namely that if the M2 is not a limited run car, it's likely to depreciate quite heavily.

So far, the 1M has remained very strong and judging by the recent offers I've had on the car, it's lost about 11% of it's value in nearly three years!

I'm still really enjoying my 1M and whilst the prices may drop slightly when the M2 comes out, I'm still going to be in a good position overall given the lack of depreciation over the last 3 years.

If the M2 turns out to be a superb car (which I'm sure it will), then I may reconsider, but that aside, it's still nice to own one of the very limited run 1M's
Don't ever sell your 1M Chris. Take it from someone who's been there!
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Whilst I'd be tempted to sell my 1M for an M2, I do have reservations. Namely that if the M2 is not a limited run car, it's likely to depreciate quite heavily.

So far, the 1M has remained very strong and judging by the recent offers I've had on the car, it's lost about 11% of it's value in nearly three years!

I'm still really enjoying my 1M and whilst the prices may drop slightly when the M2 comes out, I'm still going to be in a good position overall given the lack of depreciation over the last 3 years.

If the M2 turns out to be a superb car (which I'm sure it will), then I may reconsider, but that aside, it's still nice to own one of the very limited run 1M's
Don't ever sell your 1M Chris. Take it from someone who's been there!
I know what you mean, work is keeping me away so I wouldn't have driven it much anyway. Miss it but M2 hopefully will plug the gap.
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The N55 had a much broader power band, much more linear from idle to redline, whereas the N54 based twin turbo in the former pre-2011 135/335/535, runout of steam above 5500 rpm. The N55 didn't have serious issues with the HPFP like N54.
What are you talking about? Where do people come up with this stuff?

The N54 and N55 have torque and power curves that are remarkably similar. The N54 had/has much better tuning options. Yes, the N54 had HPFP issues, but that was resolved by a change in fuel pump part, not the N55 engine design.

The N54 vs N55 stuff is ridiculous. They're very extremely similar engines. The N54 had some better internal components, but in stock trim, I'd challenge anyone to tell them apart in a blind test.

None of this has anything to do with the engine that will be delivered in the M2, because BMW has the resources required to tune the engine to whatever characteristics they like.
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What are you talking about? Where do people come up with this stuff?

The N54 and N55 have torque and power curves that are remarkably similar. The N54 had/has much better tuning options. Yes, the N54 had HPFP issues, but that was resolved by a change in fuel pump part, not the N55 engine design.

The N54 vs N55 stuff is ridiculous. They're very extremely similar engines. The N54 had some better internal components, but in stock trim, I'd challenge anyone to tell them apart in a blind test.

None of this has anything to do with the engine that will be delivered in the M2, because BMW has the resources required to tune the engine to whatever characteristics they like.
Those dyno actually show the exact opposite of what he said. Lol.
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