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      07-31-2016, 12:39 PM   #1
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Max camber with stock suspension

Anyone know what the maximum negative camber is that can be dialed in without aftermarket camber plates or other modifications? I'm quite happy with the stock suspension but would like a bit extra camber to save my front tires at HPDEs.
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front camber is not adjustable on these cars at all, so: nada, zero, zip without camber plates or offset bushings
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Get camber plates, Vorshlag makes some that work with stock suspension
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Is rear camber adjustable?
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Yes - lots written about how to adjust on M3/M4 forum

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What is the factory setting for front camber?
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My camber gauge showed roughly 1.5 negative up front and 2.0 negative in the rear for the stock suspension. Not horrible by any means
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My camber gauge showed roughly 1.5 negative up front and 2.0 negative in the rear for the stock suspension. Not horrible by any means
Wow, -1.5 degrees up front for factory alignment settings is pretty good!

I will see if that is enough for me to forego camber plates. Won't know until I actually get an M2, put on some decent tires and try it on my home track
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My camber gauge readings are taken from an uneven garage floor so there is some margin for error, but should be close. Outside tire wear is still prominent if you are running hard on the track though Wish they had another degree of adjustability, but that's where camber plates fill the gap. However, on the plus side, the occasional track day at intermediate pace, is probably survivable for most. The hardcore will want more negative camber, or spend more on tires, one of the two
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My camber gauge readings are taken from an uneven garage floor so there is some margin for error, but should be close. Outside tire wear is still prominent if you are running hard on the track though Wish they had another degree of adjustability, but that's where camber plates fill the gap. However, on the plus side, the occasional track day at intermediate pace, is probably survivable for most. The hardcore will want more negative camber, or spend more on tires, one of the two
Argh... the never ending camber struggle!!

If I buy non-adjustable camber plates, I prevent outer shoulder wear on the track but then chew up my inner tread on the street. If I buy adjustable camber plates, I will be fiddling with them constantly and my OCD will get the best of me. If I stay stock, and go all out at the track, I will have to replace my tires constantly. If I stay stock and take it easy on the track, then why bother... oh well, get M2 first, then sort out my remaining 1st world problems later!
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Hilarious! So true.

If it is any consolation, coming from a 135i you will be pleasantly surprised! The 135i was a nightmare with stock camber and trying to fit any sort of wider tire up front, thank goodness the M2 is a little more forgiving.
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Hilarious! So true.

If it is any consolation, coming from a 135i you will be pleasantly surprised! The 135i was a nightmare with stock camber and trying to fit any sort of wider tire up front, thank goodness the M2 is a little more forgiving.
I came from a 135 and was able to get a square 255/35 18 setup on with no fender roll and no rub. It was tough though. I had Dinan camber plates, -1.5 camber, and a 42 offset (45 on the wheel plus a 3mm spacer).
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Hilarious! So true.

If it is any consolation, coming from a 135i you will be pleasantly surprised! The 135i was a nightmare with stock camber and trying to fit any sort of wider tire up front, thank goodness the M2 is a little more forgiving.
Yup, I could not agree more

Trying to deal with the stock camber on the 135i is a bitch! I ended up getting Dinan camber plates, which ended up chewing up my inner tread when I was not on the track. I have since removed them since I plan on selling my car next year.

When you say the M2 is more forgiving, are you saying that its stock camber does not chew up tire shoulders the way the 135i does, or are you saying it accommodates wider tires better than the 135i?
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I came from a 135 and was able to get a square 255/35 18 setup on with no fender roll and no rub. It was tough though. I had Dinan camber plates, -1.5 camber, and a 42 offset (45 on the wheel plus a 3mm spacer).
With Dinan camber plates and the M3 wishbone/tension rods, I was able to get -2.5 up front on the 135i. Did you find that wider tires alleviated the shoulder wear issue?
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I came from a 135 and was able to get a square 255/35 18 setup on with no fender roll and no rub. It was tough though. I had Dinan camber plates, -1.5 camber, and a 42 offset (45 on the wheel plus a 3mm spacer).
With Dinan camber plates and the M3 wishbone/tension rods, I was able to get -2.5 up front on the 135i. Did you find that wider tires alleviated the shoulder wear issue?
I had minimal edge wear issues with the -1.5 combined with the square setup. I actually was able to rotate tires front to back and wear the entire tire before replacing as opposed to wearing out the edge and replacing the otherwise fine tire.
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I had minimal edge wear issues with the -1.5 combined with the square setup. I actually was able to rotate tires front to back and wear the entire tire before replacing as opposed to wearing out the edge and replacing the otherwise fine tire.
The beauty of running a square set-up
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Yup, I could not agree more

Trying to deal with the stock camber on the 135i is a bitch! I ended up getting Dinan camber plates, which ended up chewing up my inner tread when I was not on the track. I have since removed them since I plan on selling my car next year.

When you say the M2 is more forgiving, are you saying that its stock camber does not chew up tire shoulders the way the 135i does, or are you saying it accommodates wider tires better than the 135i?
Thankfully, both are true.

Speaking of square set up advantages without camber plates, I had great success running my E92 M3 at stock -1.7 camber up front (alignment pins pulled) with 275/35/18's. Rotated religiously and they held up well enough. Drove on the street too. Hopefully we will see this same trend on the M2 with the square set ups. Not looking for ideal, just manageable
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Dunno if adjustable on BMW, but if it is, max out the positive caster, which also gives more negative camber when turning - best of both worlds really
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I came from a 135 and was able to get a square 255/35 18 setup on with no fender roll and no rub. It was tough though. I had Dinan camber plates, -1.5 camber, and a 42 offset (45 on the wheel plus a 3mm spacer).
Were your plates similar to these?

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showt...t=dinan+camber

If yes, what did you like or dislike? I see some complain about top bolt access with some plates brands.

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Dunno if adjustable on BMW, but if it is, max out the positive caster, which also gives more negative camber when turning - best of both worlds really
My understanding at least for the 135i is that only front toe and camber are adjustable, caster is not.
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I came from a 135 and was able to get a square 255/35 18 setup on with no fender roll and no rub. It was tough though. I had Dinan camber plates, -1.5 camber, and a 42 offset (45 on the wheel plus a 3mm spacer).
Were your plates similar to these?

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showt...t=dinan+camber

If yes, what did you like or dislike? I see some complain about top bolt access with some plates brands.
http://www.dinancars.com/product/d16...ries&mid=1159/

No adjustments and no issues. Just gave a 0.7 additional negative camber.

I have these on my e36 M3 too. Love them.

I called Dinan and they said the 2 series tower design prevents them from making the same for that car.
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