[bdaddylo]

Originally Posted by iamdabest1

What about the sound. The revs , how hard will it pull ..

Have you driven the M4? I think it sounds awful and I can't stand the augmented sound. The interior engine noise is substantially louder than the E9X M3 which I find appalling because there's no way in hell a turbo charged I-6 with a 7,500 redline is going to sound louder than a naturally aspirated V-8 with individual throttle bodies and a 8,400 redline.

As for pull, go look at the power curves of each engine and that should answer your question.

The bottom line is it's not as fast as an M4, but it should handle just as well.

[iamdabest1]

Originally Posted by bdaddylo

What does sound have to do with feel? Have you driven the M4? I think it sounds awful and I can't stand the augmented sound. The interior engine noise is substantially louder than the E9X M3 which I find appalling because there's no way in hell a turbo charged I-6 with a 7,500 redline is going to sound louder than a naturally aspirated V-8 with individual throttle bodies and a 8,400 redline.

As for pull, go look at the power curves of each engine and that should answer your question.

The bottom line is it's not as fast as an M4, but it should handle just as well.

I'm prob weird , but I actually like that fake sound , lol
It's better than no sound !!
And since Bmw can't make exhaust notes for the life of them , what else can you do ? I had a maserati ghibli with a turbo engine which sounded amazing .. Bmw exhaust notes are trash . I like that exotic loud Ferrari type of noise. Sounds that I can't afford

[Dackelone]

Nice pics! Now all we need is an M4 owner to drive up to BMWNA HQ and take some side by side pics.

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by Yeineken

I know its the picture and angle. But what I'm saying is that there doesn't seem to be much of a significant difference to me. Im still a fan of the car and will hopefully own the CSL. But just trying to reinforce my claim in the earlier post.

I'm not going to lie, you are correct in that it is not as much of a ''wow" difference as with the 1M vs 135i. But that is mainly due to the fact that the 'Bangle' 1 series naturally has a cusp rather than a bulge. It's less noticeable but it's still blatantly apparent in person.

Look at the flip flop image you posted of the M2 closely, but look at the bottom of the bulge towards the bottom of the car, rather than the top. It's really apparent in person, I promise.

That being said, it is not as apparent as with the 1M. I'm just saying the M2 flare is nothing to be dissapointed about even when compared to the 1M.

I do see how someone could prefer the 1M styling, although I prefer the M2's flares.

I will concede now that my inner fan boy has died down since launch that the rear of the 1M is a tick above that of the M2's in certain aspects. Although I like the 1M's more, I don't think the 1M rear would have worked with the design language of the M2.

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by Yeineken

Seeing the side profiles next to each other just killed it for me. They look the same. The M2 looks barely wider than the 235. :

The front and rear are a big step up however. The front oil/water cooler intakes do look smaller on M2 to me.

I don't know what pic you are looking at, or how good your eyes are, but the M2 clearly looks wider than the M235i.

[225_AB]

I must be in a minority because I don't like the m2 rear. It looks as though it needs to go on a diet. The 235 looks sleek to me. Hard hat on ready to be flamed but just my opinion.

[Yeineken]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

I don't know what pic you are looking at, or how good your eyes are, but the M2 clearly looks wider than the M235i.

See my post with the gifs of the 235i v m2.

[stylinexpat]

Originally Posted by bdaddylo

Have you driven the M4? I think it sounds awful and I can't stand the augmented sound. The interior engine noise is substantially louder than the E9X M3 which I find appalling because there's no way in hell a turbo charged I-6 with a 7,500 redline is going to sound louder than a naturally aspirated V-8 with individual throttle bodies and a 8,400 redline.

As for pull, go look at the power curves of each engine and that should answer your question.

The bottom line is it's not as fast as an M4, but it should handle just as well.

This V8 sure did sound nice on the last generation M3. Today is like the sound of the new V8 in the new GT350R. That new engine sounds pretty sick. If only BMW built something similar in their new M3 & new M4.

That new 6 inline with the turbo does sound pretty shabby but the performance numbers are still pretty good. Maybe they should have taken a clue from the new Porsche Carrera S with their new Turbo engine. That new Turbo engine sounds nice!

[stylinexpat]

The new M2 Nurburgring lap times were not all that great. I would have thought it could pull much better numbers for lap times.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by stylinexpat

The new M2 Nurburgring lap times were not all that great. I would have thought it could pull much better numbers for lap times.

It was faster than the E92 M3. What were you expecting... faster than an M4?

E92 M3 - 8:05
M2 - 7:58
M4 - 7:52

Seems to fit in just about where it should IMO.

[FrankMPower]

Originally Posted by gthal

It was faster than the E92 M3. What were you expecting... faster than an M4?

E92 M3 - 8:05
M2 - 7:58
M4 - 7:52

Seems to fit in just about where it should IMO.

[Dboyz321]

Originally Posted by bee500

I'd take a slightly used m4 for the same money as a brand new M2. My opinion the m2 just looks like an aftermarket project.

I have been thinking the same thing for a while. Not much engineering went into this one for all the hype and mystery. Minor modification to the front, side/ rear panels and a shiny diffuser. Hopefully the CSL is where they focused their time.

[classyfast]

Man I don't know about this one.....to me the m235 looks better! Better front and rear. Wtf

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by Reapur

Surprised they even bothered to camouflage the roundels and m2 badges lmao

Who says they were not just removed

[DS_BMW]

Originally Posted by vasmir

And this is why I love my 1M...
They'll never be a cheaper, smaller, less luxurious, or more nimble little M!

The M2 / M235 comparo is awesome. Can't wait to see in person.

What about the M coupe?

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by Dboyz321

I have been thinking the same thing for a while. Not much engineering went into this one for all the hype and mystery. Minor modification to the front, side/ rear panels and a shiny diffuser. Hopefully the CSL is where they focused their time.

The CSL... The enthusiasts pick...
300+hp 4 cylinder turbo - plug in hybrid e-motor extreme connectivity what is not to like !?!

[DS_BMW]

Originally Posted by Dackelone

Nice pics! Now all we need is an M4 owner to drive up to BMWNA HQ and take some side by side pics.

I have been saying this for awhile now

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by Yeineken

See my post with the gifs of the 235i v m2.

Yeah, and you can see how the M2's flares are wider than the M235i's. They bulge outwards in a larger radius than the 1M's, when compared to the 135i. Two different style flares.

Notice how the M2 and M4 have similar flares, and the more upright M3 sedan has the same flares as the more upright 1M.

[Yeineken]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

Yeah, and you can see how the M2's flares are wider than the M235i's. They bulge outwards in a larger radius than the 1M's, when compared to the 135i. Two different style flares.

Notice how the M2 and M4 have similar flares, and the more upright M3 sedan has the same flares as the more upright 1M.

Agreed the numbers don't lie that the m2 is wider than the 1M and have different flare styles. I understand that.

But you can't argue that it's as significant of a change compare to the 1M in the looks department. That's my only problem with it. Maybe I do need to see one in person. And I'll gladly man up if it does and admit it. However the 1M looks wide and very noticeable difference in pictures and looks insane in real life. Hopefully the M2 gives me those same "goose pimples" when I see it on the road.

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by Dboyz321

I have been thinking the same thing for a while. Not much engineering went into this one for all the hype and mystery. Minor modification to the front, side/ rear panels and a shiny diffuser. Hopefully the CSL is where they focused their time.

Do you think that is all? With all the info on this car that has been on this site for months, one would hope that you'd know there was more that went into this car than that. Do you think M Engineers were paid to drive around the Ring numerous times and do hot and cold weather testing for just front, side/rear panels and a shiny diffuser?

[bee500]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

Do you think that is all? With all the info on this car that has been on this site for months, one would hope that you'd know there was more that went into this car than that. Do you think M Engineers were paid to drive around the Ring numerous times and do hot and cold weather testing for just front, side/rear panels and a shiny diffuser?

I'm sure he doesn't. His opinion is the M2 didn't live up to the hype. I'm sure plenty went into the engineering. I just don't like the looks. The car looks outdated. The rear tail lights are hideous no carbon roof no m mirrorrs. And don't get me started on that front bumper. Looks like a really bad after market bumper that people used put on a cheap rice burner when I was a kid. I'm comparing this to the M4. That car just looks right in all design aspects from the min u see it. Sexy and classy from all angles. Whatever the M2 will cost brand new I would take that money and buy a pre owned M4. All just my own opinion which means nothing.

[X3paul]

Originally Posted by bdaddylo

Have you driven the M4? I think it sounds awful and I can't stand the augmented sound. The interior engine noise is substantially louder than the E9X M3 which I find appalling because there's no way in hell a turbo charged I-6 with a 7,500 redline is going to sound louder than a naturally aspirated V-8 with individual throttle bodies and a 8,400 redline.

As for pull, go look at the power curves of each engine and that should answer your question.

The bottom line is it's not as fast as an M4, but it should handle just as well.

And yet none of those 2 cars sound drive or look as good as a 10+ year old E46 CSL. If it wasnt for those profit mad w**kers at bmw HQ the tech should have trickled down by now...instead its a world of eps, turbo lag riden engines, fake sounds and soon fwd/awd...good thing autotrader exists