12-18-2018, 03:59 PM | #89 | |
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I called my dealer, they haven't heard about this yet, but said that I won't be bound by the buyer's agreement, which is good, but I was looking forward to this car. I still have hope until we see official numbers.
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12-18-2018, 04:17 PM | #90 | ||
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The true M cars are really going to have to step their game up to stand out from the plebeian models, since BMW is slicing the pie so thin.. As far as the size goes, it's probably going to grow a few inches, judging by the slight expansion of the G20. I hope they don't but looking their natural progression; BMW grows, they don't shrink. But they'll remain RWD for one last generation.. Get ready for another dick-measuring contest of F87 VS G87 that's inevitable |
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It's too bad there won't be a DCT in the next gen - I really haven't driven a ZF that felt nearly as good. I am sure it will be fast, but likely too smooth for my tastes. Perhaps the MT will be the logical option in that case? I had two E82s, and they were just a bit too small...same thing with my 981...the F80 is about 10% too big...so the F87 falls right in that sweet spot. An inch or two is manageable...but this overall growth, each and every generation, is annoying.
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I have always wanted to yell "Ahoy, Captain!" at the top of my lungs - I suppose that would be a good opportunity to do so.
The comment related to smoothness is what I most often associated with the ZF, regardless of which version it is or car it happens to be in. The smoothness is a detriment, in my opinion - to the overall experience. I don't want a car that shifts like butter...but that's just me.
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First there was fake exhaust sound (ASD) now fake gear changes.. Pretty soon it will be virtual reality speeding, while you're cruising around the boulevard with your grandma.. |
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12-18-2018, 05:43 PM | #97 | ||
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When BMW M switches to full ZF8, they probably wouldn't be that $2,900 up-charge like for the DCT and that current 50% MT take rate will drop to like 10%, if that..Then the MT will just implode.. The manual is on life support; we just going to have to embrace whatever the future holds.. I'm slowly coming to terms with it, as you can't stop progress - which is the ZF8. |
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12-18-2018, 06:36 PM | #99 |
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Honestly, if you have Porsche money, I would go that route.. Beside the benefits of a rear-engine vehicle, It would be so cool to able to subliminally brag to someone by saying; "You pop the trunk, I pop the hood"
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But I needed more practicality, hence the F80. Honestly I need an M and a P car, but not to that point in life yet. Hopefully someday.
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Went into my local BMW dealership over the weekend and apparently the MY2020 cars will have standard carbon ceramic brakes (not an option) and a choice of the front winglets or lip to option-in to the spec. I honestly am taking this information with the smallest grain of salt, as I think it is probably unlikely the car will not even come with the option to choose the current standard steel brakes if one didn't want the CCB. I guess we will see.
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Exactly my thoughts also
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Yeah, sort of seems like the dealer is making stuff up. Also think CCB could be a detractor from purchasing. I'm guessing prices have come down a bit in the last few years, but you need to take a loan out to do brake maintenance.
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<edit> (at least in the applications I've seen it used. The end automaker is ultimately responsible for the control software and tuning) ZF8 Deep Dive Last edited by BlkSVT; 01-02-2019 at 02:34 PM.. |
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