[BigKutta]

Originally Posted by Poochie

I believe the headlight hardware is physically different for the US-spec and the ROW, as far as Audi goes.. Give me a few, I'll look into it a little later and PM you to confirm yea or nay on this..

Poochie - I believe that HW is the same as ROW for the Q7, but coding hasn't resulted in good outcomes. No need for me to bother with the Audi. I was asking you about how to code my BMW, and what HW and app to buy. I'm not a hardcore coder (or a coder at all), so something basic is what I was seeking your advice on. Thanks!

[OGM2]

Personally I lament BMW’’s decision to move away from the round headlights. Just when they got it right with the LCI LED version (these are different from the Xenon in design, not just the rings) which are insanely bright even not being adaptive and look great while turned on which is always. it looks like this generation will be the last to even offer the option. The few designs that still use roundiies do it well, G wagon, Defender, Continental, and even the Challenger are proof it’s not “dated” but classic. If you like HEX’s and are honest about that’s the only reason you opted for the exec pkg, cool. But the exec pkg really should be named drivers assistant package because that’s what it really is and I didn’t want that on a “drivers car”. Everyone bitches about the weight of the car like they would forgo radio, AC, power seats and then when they buy the car they opt for every option. The CS even left off comfort access and an armrest. It’s all in fun lol

[richard in NC]

I've had angel eyes on BMWs since the "02 M5. They first appeared in 2001! I believe the first one with white LED angels was an '09 Z4. They clearly define BMW when approaching at night. However I like the hex design, and think its fresh and distinctive.

Where I think BMW went wrong is the 5 series LCI and other latest models where the headlights look more like a VW than a BMW. BMW relies too much on opinion polls where everyone thinks squinty headlights and big grilles are what to have lately. Too me, many of the latest cars look ugly. We've all regressed back to the gaudy 1958 designs. The exact opposite of the boring designs of the early 2000s.

[Rob495]

I live in Ct. Having a headed steering wheel in the winter is a must for my wife (the M2 is her daily). We are both in our mid 40's and live in an area where steetlights are at a minimum so the adaptive headlights were important. No brainer for us.

[j23]

Originally Posted by OGM2

Personally I lament BMW''s decision to move away from the round headlights. Just when they got it right with the LCI LED version (these are different from the Xenon in design, not just the rings) which are insanely bright even not being adaptive and look great while turned on which is always. it looks like this generation will be the last to even offer the option. The few designs that still use roundiies do it well, G wagon, Defender, Continental, and even the Challenger are proof it's not "dated" but classic. If you like HEX's and are honest about that's the only reason you opted for the exec pkg, cool. But the exec pkg really should be named drivers assistant package because that's what it really is and I didn't want that on a "drivers car". Everyone bitches about the weight of the car like they would forgo radio, AC, power seats and then when they buy the car they opt for every option. The CS even left off comfort access and an armrest. It's all in fun lol

I can promise you the CS shaved no significant weight by leaving out the armrest and comfort access lol

It's for show and race car wannabe theme. The only way the CS shaves some weight is from the mega expensive carbon bits on the outside, like the roof and hood.

How much weight do comfort access and armrest shave off? - 1 lb? Maybe 2, if you're lucky.

Then again, the CS has more heat exchangers. As far as I know, nobody has weighed a US spec M2C and M2CS side by side, using the same scale, fuel level, etc. It would also be fair to compre the CS to an option-less M2C without exec or extra add-ons (which the CS doesn't come with).

Some speculate the CS is up to 100 lbs lighter, which I call total BS. I have seen no evidence of that. The difference in weight is probably 30-40 lbs, if any.

[richard in NC]

Originally Posted by j23

How much weight do comfort access and armrest shave off? - 1 lb? Maybe 2, if you're lucky.

Note the entire console of the CS is carbon fiber, resulting in the armrest and storage deletion. I saw you still get a USB plug. Probably still just 5 lbs saved.

[keylime503]

Originally Posted by OGM2

Personally I lament BMW’’s decision to move away from the round headlights. Just when they got it right with the LCI LED version (these are different from the Xenon in design, not just the rings) which are insanely bright even not being adaptive and look great while turned on which is always. it looks like this generation will be the last to even offer the option. The few designs that still use roundiies do it well, G wagon, Defender, Continental, and even the Challenger are proof it’s not “dated” but classic. If you like HEX’s and are honest about that’s the only reason you opted for the exec pkg, cool. But the exec pkg really should be named drivers assistant package because that’s what it really is and I didn’t want that on a “drivers car”. Everyone bitches about the weight of the car like they would forgo radio, AC, power seats and then when they buy the car they opt for every option. The CS even left off comfort access and an armrest. It’s all in fun lol

G wagon is the best modern incarnation of perfectly rounded headlights. 2nd place for me is an F56 Mini Cooper 2d Hardtop LCI.

As for naming the exec pkg the "drivers assistant" package, what exactly in the package is drivers assist options? WiFi hotspot? Wireless charger? Heated steering wheel? The only thing that comes close (and this is a big stretch) is the speed limit info. Drivers assist packages are usually stuff like adaptive cruise control, lane keep assist, 360 camera, etc.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by OGM2

But the exec pkg really should be named drivers assistant package because that's what it really is and I didn't want that on a "drivers car".

The "Driver's Assistant Package" is now included standard, outside of the Executive Package..

So the Ex pack has absolutely nothing to with any of the available M2 driving aids..

https://www.bmwusa.com/standard-feat...ures.212S.html

[grl.racr]

Originally Posted by keylime503

G wagon is the best modern incarnation of perfectly rounded headlights. 2nd place for me is an F56 Mini Cooper 2d Hardtop LCI.

As for naming the exec pkg the "drivers assistant" package, what exactly in the package is drivers assist options? WiFi hotspot? Wireless charger? Heated steering wheel? The only thing that comes close (and this is a big stretch) is the speed limit info. Drivers assist packages are usually stuff like adaptive cruise control, lane keep assist, 360 camera, etc.

you mean Jeep?

[j23]

Originally Posted by richard in NC

Note the entire console of the CS is carbon fiber, resulting in the armrest and storage deletion. I saw you still get a USB plug. Probably still just 5 lbs saved.

Until somebody does and side by side weight comparison of the consoles, I don't buy that it's 5 lbs.

People looooooove to exaggerate weight savings on BMW forums.

In reality, it's probably 1-2 lbs. The M2C console can be optioned without the wireless charger. The armrest itself (if you ever held it when it's off) feels very light.

And how heavy can the comfort access sensor be? - 100 grams? lol

[///M TOWN]

Because money aside you're absolutely crazy to skip it ‼️

[keylime503]

Originally Posted by Poochie

The "Driver's Assistant Package" is now included standard, outside of the Executive Package..

So the Ex pack has absolutely nothing to with any of the available M2 driving aids..

https://www.bmwusa.com/standard-feat...ures.212S.html

There is no lane departure warning on 2021 M2C.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by keylime503

There is no lane departure warning on 2021 M2C.

There never specially a lane departure feature on any of the 2 Series; from the 228i in 2013 to the current M2C, this model lineup was never allotted this feature..

That was a typo and most so in reference with the other driver assistant aids such Lane Keep Assistant and Pedestrian Protection..

[BigKutta]

Originally Posted by Poochie

There never specially a lane departure feature on any of the 2 Series; from the 228i in 2013 to the current M2C, this model lineup was never allotted this feature..

That was a typo and most so in reference with the other driver assistant aids such Lane Keep Assistant and Pedestrian Protection..

So is it the Lane Keep Assist that vibrates our steering wheel? I turned it off day one...

[DAC17]

The M2 CS will be a collector car, and will hold its value better than other M2's. Simple as that. Features, etc. really don't matter, since few of us will be able to get our hands on one anyway.

[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by OGM2

Personally I lament BMW’’s decision to move away from the round headlights. Just when they got it right with the LCI LED version (these are different from the Xenon in design, not just the rings) which are insanely bright even not being adaptive and look great while turned on which is always. it looks like this generation will be the last to even offer the option. The few designs that still use roundiies do it well, G wagon, Defender, Continental, and even the Challenger are proof it’s not “dated” but classic. If you like HEX’s and are honest about that’s the only reason you opted for the exec pkg, cool. But the exec pkg really should be named drivers assistant package because that’s what it really is and I didn’t want that on a “drivers car”. Everyone bitches about the weight of the car like they would forgo radio, AC, power seats and then when they buy the car they opt for every option. The CS even left off comfort access and an armrest. It’s all in fun lol

The fact that all the companies have copied bmw probably forced a redesign

[Sublime00]

Originally Posted by DAC17

The M2 CS will be a collector car, and will hold its value better than other M2's. Simple as that. Features, etc. really don't matter, since few of us will be able to get our hands on one anyway.

I'm curious to see how well CS holds its value vs m2 comp and m2. I have a feeling it'll depreciate the same %, let's see.

I would assume whoever wants one can get it as I see plenty of availability. So I guess most people won't get it bc of price, not bc it's difficult to find one for sale.

[OGM2]

Originally Posted by keylime503

G wagon is the best modern incarnation of perfectly rounded headlights. 2nd place for me is an F56 Mini Cooper 2d Hardtop LCI.

As for naming the exec pkg the "drivers assistant" package, what exactly in the package is drivers assist options? WiFi hotspot? Wireless charger? Heated steering wheel? The only thing that comes close (and this is a big stretch) is the speed limit info. Drivers assist packages are usually stuff like adaptive cruise control, lane keep assist, 360 camera, etc.

At the time when I ordered the car it included lane assist (vibrating steering wheel only) pedestrian detection (primes the brakes, not sure if it actually brakes but I don’t want it to because it may cause someone to rear end me even when I’m totally aware of what’s in front of me, parking sensor in the rear only (it already came with a standard rear camera so useless). It was half baked at best since it didn’t have adaptive cruise, and the most useful feature, blind spot detection. I’m changing my steering wheel so the heated wheel won’t work anyway, WiFi hotspot (can’t think of a good reason to need this) and my phone won’t fit in the charger which apparently is useless. In other words, to me the whole package was useless since I like iconic BMW roundies.

[j23]

^^^ odd

I use my heated steering wheel every single day. I use the phone charger daily. And I love the beam pattern of the LED lights, especially after coding them to behave more like Euro lights.

The most underrated feature of exec pack may just be heated steering.

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by j23

^^^ odd

I use my heated steering wheel every single day. I use the phone charger daily. And I love the beam pattern of the LED lights, especially after coding them to behave more like Euro lights.

The most underrated feature of exec pack may just be heated steering.

Agreed. I used mine today entering the car from rainy 35 degree weather and enjoyed having warmth ~15 seconds after pushing the button.

If $1200 got me a wheel heater only, that's really questionable value. A button and heating element shouldn't cost as much as a brand new Macbook. With the lights, now we're talking.

I'd be OK with buying a lot car that didn't have Exec if I got a great deal on it and it definitely had the Adaptive LED thrown in for free. I wouldn't order Exec-less and roll the dice.

[happyjack]

Originally Posted by j23

^^^ odd

I use my heated steering wheel every single day. I use the phone charger daily. And I love the beam pattern of the LED lights, especially after coding them to behave more like Euro lights.

The most underrated feature of exec pack may just be heated steering.

i think you're the first person i've seen who has posted about using the phone charger daily!!

which phone? and what's your usage, e.g. running apps? how long per charge? no issues with phone overheating?

my wife's 2017 X3 has the charger and it actually drains the battery on an iphone 11 pro!

[ASAP]

I am surprised this conversation continues on... it really comes down to whether you want the cooler LED adaptive headlights. If some cars now are coming with it, then the exec pack is def a skip.

I have it and the wireless charger is utter junk (please no one make a case for this because you are just lost if you do)... the heated steering wheel is useless for anyone in warmer climates although I would argue the speed limit display does become useful after a while...

Resale value... 0 impact.