[BLK235iNJ]

Got it... by reading your post i thought you meant you weren't going to buy one because it didn't have the SO option.

Made me wonder what other manufactures out there offer a SO interior (chevy?)

Originally Posted by RodDT

I plan to. Just saying that it would have been pretty cool to have SO interior as an option. Mineral Grey with SO interior on an M2 would be a killer.

[RodDT]

None, BLK235iNJ. I believe the M2 will be the best bang for your buck on the segment. What will the price range be for the M2?

[RodDT]

Audi and Lexus make a nice red interior as well. But in my opinion, Sahkir Orange and Coral Red are the best interior colors, in the red family, of course.

[BLK235iNJ]

I've read upper 50's (I think 57k)

Originally Posted by RodDT

None, BLK235iNJ. I believe the M2 will be the best bang for your buck on the segment. What will the price range be for the M2?

[RodDT]

So with options could easily get close to low $60s, right?
I am just afraid that price will be too close to M3 or even M4.

[BLK235iNJ]

Owning a 2 series it will be a totally different car even if they are close in price. The size of the m4 is what pushed me to my m235i.

Originally Posted by RodDT

So with options could easily get close to low $60s, right?
I am just afraid that price will be too close to M3 or even M4.

[RodDT]

I totally understand your point of view. I drove the m235i at a BMW event and it's a demon. I can only imagine the M2.

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by BLK235iNJ

I've read upper 50's (I think 57k)

Lol no. Lower 50s. Around 52k starting is well accepted.

[twin fed]

Originally Posted by ndukyh

Customers are notoriously bad at knowing what they want so it's generally not a a good idea for a company to directly ask what customers want or listen too strongly to loud people on forums airing their opinions on what they think the rest of the world wants. If that were the case we'd still be using Motorola Razrs.

There are much better ways for companies like BMW to provide part of what customers think they want while also introducing them to new and exciting things that they never knew they would have wanted. Trust in the company -- they know what they're doing.

Homer knew what he was doing......

[ShocknAwe]

I'm going to reserve judgement until I see it in person. Looks like it could be great, or horrible, all at once.

[jc9elfer]

Very cool.
Thanks for the digital reveal!

[BLK235iNJ]

That would be awesome. a base m235i is $46,445 so youre figuring for another 6k you get the M2?

I hope you're accurate. When I look at the 435i with m sport pack its 50k and to get into the m4 with DCT its $69,595 (thats just standard leather and DCT).

You think the m2 will be lower 50's mmmmm I hope you are correct. LOL

I'm going to predict 60k

Originally Posted by Adem1534

Lol no. Lower 50s. Around 52k starting is well accepted.

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by BLK235iNJ

That would be awesome. a base m235i is $46,445 so youre figuring for another 6k you get the M2?

I hope you're accurate. When I look at the 435i with m sport pack its 50k and to get into the m4 with DCT its $69,595 (thats just standard leather and DCT).

You think the m2 will be lower 50's mmmmm I hope you are correct. LOL

I'm going to predict 60k

Yes. 60k is out of the question. It's closer to the M235i than the M4 is to the 435i because the M235i is more than what a 435i is towards the 4series.

Where have you been? Lol. If you look at the improvements over the M235i (which starts at 43) 52/53k is very well expected. High 60s is out of the question.

[metrickid]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

Yes. 60k is out of the question. It's closer to the M235i than the M4 is to the 435i because the M235i is more than what a 435i is towards the 4series.

Where have you been? Lol. If you look at the improvements over the M235i (which starts at 43) 52/53k is very well expected. High 60s is out of the question.

Scott said more expensive than the TTS. That starts at $51.9k in the US. But if he was referring to EU/US/UK/AU prices no one knows!

[BLK235iNJ]

Hey I hope you are correct. I don't see how folks would even look at the m235i if this is the case. I'm assuming it will come with equipment that is optional in the m235i, LSD and DCT for folks wanting auto (like me). DCT is a 3k option on the m4. And thats not even getting into the body upgrades, upgraded suspension and engine. This would be a bargain.

My base auto m235i was almost 50k.

Originally Posted by Adem1534

Yes. 60k is out of the question. It's closer to the M235i than the M4 is to the 435i because the M235i is more than what a 435i is towards the 4series.

Where have you been? Lol. If you look at the improvements over the M235i (which starts at 43) 52/53k is very well expected. High 60s is out of the question.

[MR.]

Originally Posted by RodDT

I plan to. Just saying that it would have been pretty cool to have SO interior as an option. Mineral Grey with SO interior on an M2 would be a killer.

Only interior option is Dakota Leather with blue contrasting stitching, also know as the code LCNL from the 4-series. Similar to the 1M....

MR

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by ScottGregory

Yes, i understand that the engine code as been leaked, but where in that engine code does it show if it has the S55 crankcase and crankshaft, or the cooling system from the S55. BMW can't simply name the M2 engine a detuned S55 engine because it isn't an S55 engine, it doesn't have the two turbos, but why does the N55B30T0 engine code negate the possibility that BMW has used the cooling and internals that they developed with the S55 for a single turbo application.

I'm going to have to break this down. I'm not trying to be a dick. Seriously, I'm not. There are just some well established facts as it relates to BMW engine codes that make this pretty clear.

All your questions boil down to this: how does the engine code tell us what will change between the engine in the M235i vs the engine in the M2? Tangentially, what will come from the S55?

Obviously no one outside of BMW knows exactly what is going in to the N55B30T0, but that doesn't mean we are left with only random guesses. Have a look at the two engine codes:

N55B30O0 (M235i)
N55B30T0 (M2)

What's different? The seventh digit changes from O to T. What does the seventh digit tell us? The seventh digit of a BMW engine code is the "Power Output Class". And historically, what does the "Power Output Class" tell us? The 135i vs 1M is the best historical precedent. The differences were very small.

Some of the changes you suggest would be more understandable if the Technical Version (eight digit) changed. Historically, BMW used a "Tu" code to signify technical revisions, which could include things like Vanos upgrades. A change in Power Output Class mostly involves the level of tune, not the major components of the engine (excluding the crankshaft).

The crankcase thing is dead on arrival. The crankcase would essentially require an S55 shortblock. The number of turbos is irrelevant in that case. There is zero history of BMW doing something as radical as changing the shortblock under a "Power Output Class" change. It's just incomprehensible if you know anything about BMW engine codes.

As for what will come from the S55?

Crankcase is out. That's a major component, and would basically mean using the S55 shortblock. We'd see an S5x code for that engine, not an N5x code.

Crankshaft is a possibility, but given that the block is different in the S55, I don't think the part number will the same. What really matters is that the crank is forged, and I think it will be. Whether it comes from the S55 is really irrelevant.

Cooling system from the S55? That's kind of asking the wrong question. The S55 is only used in the F8x chassis right now, so the components that make up the cooling system are fit for the F8x chassis dimensions. I wouldn't expect BMW to lift the components and slap them directly in to the F22 chassis. They may not even fit.

A better question is, will the cooling on the M2 be upgraded from the M235i. History tells us it will be. Even the PPK kit for regular cars comes with upgraded cooling. We can expect the M2 to get something. How much is TBD.

As for the air-water-air intercooler, you can count that out for two reasons: cost and space. There's no hump on the hood, which means we should expect a regular air-to-air intercooler. It may be upgraded for M-car duty, however.

[BLK235iNJ]

So they are targeting the S line? i thought my car was supposed to do that?

Originally Posted by Rossifumi

Scott said more expensive than the TTS. That starts at $51.9k in the US. But if he was referring to EU/US/UK/AU prices no one knows!

[filet.M2c]

Assuming a base of $52500 and using the options list provided, the car cracks $60k. BMW is intentionally keeping the options low to avoid entering M3/M4 pricing territory, but getting close enough to make the F8Xs more favorable. This is why I think availability will be acceptable after the initial hype, as most drivers will jump to the bigger brothers. That's fine with me. I think people, like myself, who truly want a well balanced and nimble street car will get it.

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by BLK235iNJ

Hey I hope you are correct. I don't see how folks would even look at the m235i if this is the case. I'm assuming it will come with equipment that is optional in the m235i, LSD and DCT for folks wanting auto (like me). DCT is a 3k option on the m4. And thats not even getting into the body upgrades, upgraded suspension and engine. This would be a bargain.

My base auto m235i was almost 50k.

A fully loaded M2 could easily creep into the low 60s, but a base manual won't. The M235i base non auto starts at 43, 10k more starting price accounts for LSD, M4 suspension, modified engine and body work (including wheels). Optioning the car heavily again will probably hit 62k, just below the M3

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by Rossifumi

Scott said more expensive than the TTS. That starts at $51.9k in the US. But if he was referring to EU/US/UK/AU prices no one knows!

Tts starts at 49k here?

[SGL]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

I'm going to have to break this down. I'm not trying to be a dick. Seriously, I'm not. There are just some well established facts as it relates to BMW engine codes that make this pretty clear.

All your questions boil down to this: how does the engine code tell us what will change between the engine in the M235i vs the engine in the M2? Tangentially, what will come from the S55?

Obviously no one outside of BMW knows exactly what is going in to the N55B30T0, but that doesn't mean we are left with only random guesses. Have a look at the two engine codes:

N55B30O0 (M235i)
N55B30T0 (M2)

What's different? The seventh digit changes from O to T. What does the seventh digit tell us? The seventh digit of a BMW engine code is the "Power Output Class". And historically, what does the "Power Output Class" tell us? The 135i vs 1M is the best historical precedent. The differences were very small.

Some of the changes you suggest would be more understandable if the Technical Version (eight digit) changed. Historically, BMW used a "Tu" code to signify technical revisions, which could include things like Vanos upgrades. A change in Power Output Class mostly involves the level of tune, not the major components of the engine (excluding the crankshaft).

The crankcase thing is dead on arrival. The crankcase would essentially require an S55 shortblock. The number of turbos is irrelevant in that case. There is zero history of BMW doing something as radical as changing the shortblock under a "Power Output Class" change. It's just incomprehensible if you know anything about BMW engine codes.

As for what will come from the S55?

Crankcase is out. That's a major component, and would basically mean using the S55 shortblock. We'd see an S5x code for that engine, not an N5x code.

Crankshaft is a possibility, but given that the block is different in the S55, I don't think the part number will the same. What really matters is that the crank is forged, and I think it will be. Whether it comes from the S55 is really irrelevant.

Cooling system from the S55? That's kind of asking the wrong question. The S55 is only used in the F8x chassis right now, so the components that make up the cooling system are fit for the F8x chassis dimensions. I wouldn't expect BMW to lift the components and slap them directly in to the F22 chassis. They may not even fit.

A better question is, will the cooling on the M2 be upgraded from the M235i. History tells us it will be. Even the PPK kit for regular cars comes with upgraded cooling. We can expect the M2 to get something. How much is TBD.

As for the air-water-air intercooler, you can count that out for two reasons: cost and space. There's no hump on the hood, which means we should expect a regular air-to-air intercooler. It may be upgraded for M-car duty, however.

That cleared up some of my speculation, my whole reason for throwing things out is that we haven't seen the engine yet, and I was just speculating that BMW may have backed themselves into a corner by having a defined engine code, and naming scheme and that they can't give it a variation of the S55 engine when it is fundamentally different from the S55 so they may be in the middle ground. Just pure speculation but some of the things you touched on have turned me away from that.