[BigKutta]

Originally Posted by JCZ5

Much appreciated ///AVM! However, I'm looking for a 6 speed...I have been frequently looking on autotrader, but nothing has come up. My spec: LBB, Exec, Black wheels and moonroof.

Actually this might go well with what we talked about, waiting to see what MY21 may bring before I place an order.

Man, if you wanted one with DCT I could point you to a great deal! Dealer near me has 3 LBB but all with DCT

[JCZ5]

Originally Posted by BigKutta

Man, if you wanted one with DCT I could point you to a great deal! Dealer near me has 3 LBB but all with DCT

Haha yeah! LBB DCTs are plenty! See what I'm struggling with? 😝.

[BigKutta]

Originally Posted by JCZ5

Haha yeah! LBB DCTs are plenty! See what I'm struggling with? 😝.

I hear ya. They have some manuals but other colors.

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by JCZ5

Much appreciated ///AVM! However, I'm looking for a 6 speed...I have been frequently looking on autotrader, but nothing has come up. My spec: LBB, Exec, Black wheels and moonroof.

Actually this might go well with what we talked about, waiting to see what MY21 may bring before I place an order.

JC

If you do not mind me asking, why are you committed to a manual transmission?

If you enjoy the ‘engagement’ of using clutch and moving through the gearbox, then that is that. . . you need a manual transmission.

If, however, it is about controlling shift points – controlling where you live in the power band – then I would seriously reconsider the DCT. I have stated before, but I too was a MT fanboy, but came to fall in love with PDK manual mode. I feel fully engaged, as with a true MT, but do not miss the clutch or moving through the gearbox. . . again, you might be more engaged and committed to the latter.

One caveat is that the PDK in my 718 comes with a shifter that resembles the look and feel of a MT shifter. Paddles are fine, but not sure I would enjoy the PDK manual mode to the extent I do if I had to rely exclusively on the paddles. The reason I mention this is because the BMW DCT shifter does not APPEAR to be quite as amendable to shifting enjoyment as a true MT shifter. Kind of small, and of odd shape and plastic composition. For a more valid perspective in this regard, I have to defer to a current M2C DCT owner who routinely uses the DCT manual mode and engages the shifter over the paddles.

Regarding the 21' release. . . you have waited this long and, if you are considering a custom build, what is a couple more weeks?

///AVM

[JCZ5]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

JC

If you do not mind me asking, why are you committed to a manual transmission?

If you enjoy the ‘engagement’ of using clutch and moving through the gearbox, then that is that. . . you need a manual transmission.

If, however, it is about controlling shift points – controlling where you live in the power band – then I would seriously reconsider the DCT. I have stated before, but I too was a MT fanboy, but came to fall in love with PDK manual mode. I feel fully engaged, as with a true MT, but do not miss the clutch or moving through the gearbox. . . again, you might be more engaged and committed to the latter.

One caveat is that the PDK in my 718 comes with a shifter that resembles the look and feel of a MT shifter. Paddles are fine, but not sure I would enjoy the PDK manual mode to the extent I do if I had to rely exclusively on the paddles. The reason I mention this is because the BMW DCT shifter does not APPEAR to be quite as amendable to shifting enjoyment as a true MT shifter. Kind of small, and of odd shape and plastic composition. For a more valid perspective in this regard, I have to defer to a current M2C DCT owner who routinely uses the DCT manual mode and engages the shifter over the paddles.

Regarding the 21' release. . . you have waited this long and, if you are considering a custom build, what is a couple more weeks?

///AVM

Fair question...and you answered it, it's about being engaged and the physical "fun" of depressing the clutch and moving the shifter.

And yes, at this point, I feel like I'm committed to see what MY21 brings. However, as I may be moving out of NYC. I will require a car end of August. But if MY21 delivers start in September, I suppose I can rent a car for a few weeks. The beauty is, I technically don't need a daily driver. Gives me a lot more freedom to wait for exactly what I want vs. jumping in to fill a void.

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by JCZ5

Fair question...and you answered it, it's about being engaged and the physical "fun" of depressing the clutch and moving the shifter

Right on JC . . . then you need a MT.

I hope the 21' is released as anticipated in upcoming weeks, and available for your desired delivery time of August/September.

///AVM

[Mito21]

I have just ordered a new M2C in Sunset Orange for Spain.

Dealer stated than from March all M2C are new model year. The only noticeable change is that i have to pay for the Digital Radio that i had not included.

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by Mito21

I have just ordered a new M2C in Sunset Orange for Spain.

Dealer stated than from March all M2C are new model year. The only noticeable change is that i have to pay for the Digital Radio that i had not included.

Mito

By your statement, it is my understanding that you built and ordered a 21' M2C.

I am not at all questioning you, but I am in question of your SA. Specifically, very odd that BMW would just quietly transition from 20' to 21' model as of March 1st . . . with absolutely no change in model or public announcement provided.

Have you looked at the sales receipt and associated build . . . does it say 2021 M2 Competition?

///AVM

[Mito21]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Mito

By your statement, it is my understanding that you built and ordered a 21' M2C.

I am not at all questioning you, but I am in question of your SA. Specifically, very odd that BMW would just quietly transition from 20' to 21' model as of March 1st . . . with absolutely no change in model or public announcement provided.

Have you looked at the sales receipt and associated build . . . does it say 2021 M2 Competition?

///AVM

Hello.

Yes, i ordeder a new M2 Competition last friday.

As you can see in my post, i have not said 2021 because i have not been told that. In Europe we do not talk of Model Years as in the US. There is a lot of time left for 2021. IMO my car is model year 2020, the year it willbe manufactured

But i have been told that for cars produced from March 2020 there are some changes, the most noticeable is that all cars include Digital Radio and the price rises in that amount.

In 2014 i purchased an F20 116i for my wife and it was the same, As the car was produced in March we had the net M sport steering wheel and some small improvements

It seems that BMW makes production changes in March

[///AVM]

Mito

I understand . . . but don't.

I guess I am struggling to understand the difference between transitioning into a 'new model year' vs. transitioning from a 20' to 21' M2C?

///AVM

[Mito21]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Mito

I understand . . . but don't.

I guess I am struggling to understand the difference between transitioning into a 'new model year' vs. transitioning from a 20' to 21' M2C?

///AVM

Is the same, but looked from a different side of the Atlantic.

In the USA you talk of 2021 model Year in the early 2020. It has no sense for us in Europe.

But the reality is that this month, BMW is doing changes in the production of the M2. Call it MY 2021 or New Model year, but it is different from the ones produced in February

[CSBM5]

Depending on the level of change, BMWNA sometimes decides to change model years with March production changes and sometimes not. For example, the E9x M3 2011 model year started in March 2010 production (with intro of ZCP, changes to rod bearings, various other things). Then they added some additional changes in Sept 2010 (Combox, etc); hence you see people here refer to 2011.5 M3s. Then they did one more change in March 2011 adding BMW apps; hence you see 2011.75 reference here on the forum.

In general, our model year change overs occur with the yearly start of production in September...at least most of the time in the past. In the case of the E90 M3 (sedan), it was produced through Oct 2011 when it went out of production, so there was no change to the 2011 model year designation with Sept production restart.

[JCZ5]

What is "Digital radio"? Like HD radio? Sheesh gotta pick up the equipment bundle for MY21, BMW!

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by JCZ5

What is "Digital radio"? Like HD radio? Sheesh gotta pick up the equipment bundle for MY21, BMW!

I had to look it up too. . .

"FM signals are transmitted by an FM radio station, and AM signals by an AM radio station. These two types of signals can both be picked up by an analogue radio. Digital radio is a form of radio that relies on digitally transmitted data, made up of ones and zeros."

///AVM

[richard in NC]

Originally Posted by CSBM5

Depending on the level of change, BMWNA sometimes decides to change model years with March production changes and sometimes not. For example, the E9x M3 2011 model year started in March 2010 production (with intro of ZCP, changes to rod bearings, various other things). Then they added some additional changes in Sept 2010 (Combox, etc); hence you see people here refer to 2011.5 M3s. Then they did one more change in March 2011 adding BMW apps; hence you see 2011.75 reference here on the forum.

In general, our model year change overs occur with the yearly start of production in September...at least most of the time in the past. In the case of the E90 M3 (sedan), it was produced through Oct 2011 when it went out of production, so there was no change to the 2011 model year designation with Sept production restart.

Several of the cars I've ordered or purchased have been early model year change-overs. This is due to EPA and emissions certification. If BMW wants to introduce mid year changes, they'll certify to the next model year to avoid doing it twice.

My 2020 M2C was a Feb '19 build and April delivery. Before that, my 2008 550i was built mid '07 and my 2011 X5 was built mid '10, both off the lot.

[BigKutta]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

If, however, it is about controlling shift points – controlling where you live in the power band – then I would seriously reconsider the DCT. I have stated before, but I too was a MT fanboy, but came to fall in love with PDK manual mode. I feel fully engaged, as with a true MT, but do not miss the clutch or moving through the gearbox. . . again, you might be more engaged and committed to the latter.

///AVM

This is very very true. The DCT is as good as a manual, and then better in many ways. I was going to get a manual (go back to manual) as this would be my fun car, when I first started thinking of the M2. But my enthusiast friend who had an M6 and now has the M3 with DCT told me that I absolutely must get the DCT. He was a manual fan boy like me too. I am so glad I chose the DCT. Not only can I not stop driving this car (so forget fun car, this will be my daily), I am really glad that I wont be pushing a clutch all the time. I will tell you this, I shift the DCT manually most of the time and I feel pretty damn engaged, and control the shift points just like in a manual.

And then every once in a while I'll throw it in "auto" when I hit an empty road, and hit kickdown, and holy s**t, the DCT is just pure joy and exhilaration. It scares the piss out of me. God keep me out of trouble.

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by JCZ5

What is "Digital radio"? Like HD radio? Sheesh gotta pick up the equipment bundle for MY21, BMW!

HD Radio (digital) has been standard on USA delivered M2Cs since introduction.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by CSBM5

HD Radio (digital) has been standard on USA delivered M2Cs since introduction.

Love HD radio, only decent way to pick up local AM sports talk stations.

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by CSBM5

HD Radio (digital) has been standard on USA delivered M2Cs since introduction.

CSBM

It is really nice when someone who knows just what the hell is going on chimes in . . . thank you.

Just to be clear, Mito, in no way directed at you. If anything, self-defamation, as I clearly had no idea where my music was coming from, or how it got to me. . . I just know a 'satellite' is somehow involved, supposedly.

///AVM

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by BigKutta

This is very very true. The DCT is as good as a manual, and then better in many ways. I was going to get a manual (go back to manual) as this would be my fun car, when I first started thinking of the M2. But my enthusiast friend who had an M6 and now has the M3 with DCT told me that I absolutely must get the DCT. He was a manual fan boy like me too. I am so glad I chose the DCT. Not only can I not stop driving this car (so forget fun car, this will be my daily), I am really glad that I wont be pushing a clutch all the time. I will tell you this, I shift the DCT manually most of the time and I feel pretty damn engaged, and control the shift points just like in a manual.

And then every once in a while I'll throw it in "auto" when I hit an empty road, and hit kickdown, and holy s**t, the DCT is just pure joy and exhilaration. It scares the piss out of me. God keep me out of trouble.

Kutta

I did not want to digress down this topic line too far in this particular thread . . . as I could for at least two pages.

That said, I would like to add that you can safely power shift in PDK/DCT manual mode all day an night . . . I am unclear if BMW has engineered safe power shifting in any of their MT models? However, to my knowledge, this technology is only currently available for the Porsche GT models.

Since you clearly enjoy manual mode of your DCT, perhaps you could answer my prior question about the shifter. Namely, do you find the DCT shifter adequate? My PDK shifter bears resemblance in size and feel to a true MT shifter, while the DCT shifter APPEARS 'less so' . . . but my impression could be far from the truth.

///AVM

[CSBM5]

Yes, there is major torque reduction/management on fast, full-power upshifts in the 6MT M2C, especially the 1-2 upshift. Having been driving high powered RWD cars since 45 years ago, I find it very annoying to take away the management of that upshift from the driver, but it is what it is. I suppose beside helping inexperienced drivers who turn off DSC and crash the first time they do a quick 1-2 full throttle upshift, it helps reduce loads on the clutch and the drivetrain also.

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by CSBM5

Yes, there is major torque reduction/management on fast, full-power upshifts in the 6MT M2C, especially the 1-2 upshift. Having been driving high powered RWD cars since 45 years ago, I find it very annoying to take away the management of that upshift from the driver, but it is what it is. I suppose beside helping inexperienced drivers who turn off DSC and crash the first time they do a quick 1-2 full throttle upshift, it helps reduce loads on the clutch and the drivetrain also.

CSBM

Thank you for yet another excellent post. . .

When I indicated 'safe' I meant safe for the engine, but I guess safe for the engine and driver can be considered mutual.

At any rate, you are saying that if you power shift in the M2C MT it will not push RPMs off the limiter? It is with this perspective that I was stating 'safe' . . . for the engine.

If I am reading between the lines correctly, the key to your statement is 'fast' shifts, as to shift before the RPMs bounce off the limiter. In reference to the GT Porsche models, they have developed some sort of 'programming' that allows you to power shift without ever bouncing off the limiter. Many refer to this as 'no-lift-shfiting.' I am sure you know all of this, but just wanted to be sure I understood you correctly.

Thank you again

///AVM