[JasH]

The lap times are 100% meaningless, unless they are same day + same driver.

[mothertongue]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

MMMBRAP

I am not certain if your numbers at $90-100K are accurate? I should say, I sure as heck hope they are not accurate.

I was thinking it would be USD $100k even given the euro pricing, exchange rate and import duties.

https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/11/06/2...erent-markets/

There's better cars in that range, so looking forward to seeing the final pricing. Sub $85k would be very reasonable.

Though I think in the US market they're going to have to contend with the C8 'vette, so that'll be interesting for every German sports car. Maybe we could expect a discount

[Goldsbar]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

This is a cash grab car from BMW taken from the pages of the Porsche marketing manual. It doesn’t need to be marked up as high as it is.
I have owned 30 years of Porsche 911’s and Porsche has absolutely lost their mind with the new option pricing. The cars are being built with cheaper materials and Porsche still pushes as far as they can go with up charges. The newbies looking for status can’t see it as they have no point of reference.

Yes, but Porsche marketing is the master at this approach and the faithful swallow it year after year (911R prices, OMG). BMW...not nearly as good. There were plenty of M3/4 CS models sitting at dealerships without ridiculous ADMs when I bought my M2.

This takes the M2 from a semi-affordable car guy fun car to hmm, maybe I should just spend the another $20k on a 911 territory.

[Hankdoll]

Don't think the CS is worth the premium (even though I want one). The M2C stole most of the CS thunder by getting the S55. I imagine the CS reception would be off the charts if the M2C never happened (and non-CS M2s still had N55). Premium would've been more justified for such a special car.

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by Hankdoll

Don't think the CS is worth the premium (even though I want one). The M2C stole most of the CS thunder by getting the S55. I imagine the CS reception would be off the charts if the M2C never happened (and non-CS M2s still had N55). Premium would've been more justified for such a special car.

Hank

Honestly, you nailed it!

In a nutshell, the S55 engine is what makes the M2C so special . . . for $60K.

For the everyday driving enthusiast, the S55 was such a gift that it almost seems like BMW made a mistake when they released it.

///AVM

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by Hankdoll

Don't think the CS is worth the premium (even though I want one). The M2C stole most of the CS thunder by getting the S55. I imagine the CS reception would be off the charts if the M2C never happened (and non-CS M2s still had N55). Premium would've been more justified for such a special car.

Excellent point but the original M2 was priced 55k fully-equipped, a comparable M2C is 62k.

Had the M2 jump in price from 55k to the CS prospective 85k sticker price, simply because it has a S55, it would of been a harder pill to swallow for most its target demographics.

Also, BMW would of never recoup the cost they were able to offset with sales of M2C and as a result, probably not bother with designing a CS variant, from scratch.

Ever successive model it's relative to its predecessor.

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Excellent point but the original M2 was priced 55k fully-equipped, a comparable M2C is 62k.

Had the M2 jump in price from 55k to the CS prospective 85k sticker price, simply because it has a S55, it would of been a harder pill to swallow for most its target demographics.

Also, BMW would of never recoup the cost they were able to offset with sales of M2C and as a result, probably not bother with designing a CS variant, from scratch.

Ever successive model it's relative to its predecessor.

Poochie

Yes again . . . keep nailing down the core component as to why the M2C is so successful. BMW gave the M2 the M3/4 engine for next to no up-charge.

This is all the more the reason - if not THE reason - the M2CS has very little appeal to me when viewed in comparison to the M2C. $25K+ jump in price with the same engine.

For the record, the M2 does not need any 'more' engine, and doubt BMW will ever 'give away' the S58 in any M2 model . . . aside from fact that the M2 does not need the S58, it would leave them high and dry with the M3/4 models.

BMW cannot put the horses back in the barn when it comes to the M2CS . . . small price to pay for the wild success of the M2C.

///AVM

[Triple Seven]

Yea 65k + tax + extended warranty + finance charge. It's getting up there close.

[Davil]

Looks like it will be 30% increase on M2C down here. Gave them some cash I am on the list. 50/50 whether there's any chance of getting one. The great about already owning the M2C is that it is a que sera sera.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

I was anticipating $80-85K based on this and other threads pertaining to the M2CS . . . hence my suggesting that the M2CS is not $25K more than what the M2C has to offer.

If my $85,000 guesstimate for the M2 CS in the US turns out to be accurate (though I truly hope for you US guys that the recent $78,560 MSRP rumor would be true), the price-gap with an M2C is actually wider, because you can get deals on an M2C right now. Over here you can get M2C deals ranging from 10 to 15%. So if the M2 CS changes hands for MSRP, the price-gap with the M2C is in reality wider. And if mark-ups are charged, things become outright ugly (currently there is already an M2 CS ad on eBay in Germany with a €30K markup (€125K) + another one at MSRP but requiring the seller to allow him to drive 9K kms till Autumn 2020; the despicable coin flippers breed).

In the end what matters is the price that you got to fork out in real life for this BMW 2-Series car.

BMW, sorry to burst your bubble, but the M2 CS is over-priced. "2200 cars limited edition" = smart ///Marketing. Learning from not labelling the M3 CS and M4 CS 'limited edition': 1263 M3 CS built (out of production now) and 2043 M4 CS built (June 2019 figure - still produced - 3000 were scheduled). 1383 E46 M3 CSL were built and that €85K car wasn't labelled 'limited edition' either. So, 'limited edition': what's in a name ?

[///AVM]

It is not so much what the M2CS is not, rather, what the M2C is . . . relative steal with its performance (S55 engine) at the $60K price point.

No pun intended when I stated BMW ‘cannot put the horses back in the barn.’ Nonetheless, as stated by Artemis, exclusivity associated with the limited release (‘limited edition’) M2CS is just about the only marketing approach BMW can take in moving the ‘spruced up’ M2 model at $25K+ projected price over the M2C.

The M2C is simply an amazing performance car for the price. . . the M2CS is not.

///AVM

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

It is not so much what the M2CS is not, rather, what the M2C is . . . relative steal with its performance (S55 engine) at the $60K price point.
No pun intended when I stated BMW ‘cannot put the horses back in the barn.’ Nonetheless, as stated by Artemis, exclusivity associated with the limited release (‘limited edition’) M2CS is just about the only marketing approach BMW can take in moving the ‘spruced up’ M2 model at $25K+ projected price over the M2C.
The M2C is simply an amazing performance car for the price. . . the M2CS is not.
///AVM

• M2 base model (N55) = good value for money
• M2 Competition (S55) = good value for money
• M2 CS (S55) = M2 €$ = good value for too much money

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by Artemis

• M2 base model (N55) = good value for money
• M2 Competition (S55) = good value for money
• M2 CS (S55) = M2 €$ = good value for too much money

Artemis

You said EVERYTHING with M2 €$ . . . Love it!!

///AVM

[chmura]

If the M2 CS was 300 lbs lighter than I can see $20-25k price difference would be justified. The M2 CS weighs the same as the M2 Comp even with the carbon fiber bits, this is really disappointing.

I am definitely holding back and waiting for these to be discounted like the M4 GTS and M3/M4 CS vehicles.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Artemis

You said EVERYTHING with M2 €$ . . . Love it!!

///AVM

BMW has CookieS of the expensive kind for you.

[goku7]

I'm guessing it will be $91k usd, $94k with the dct and 10-50k markups

[Poochie]

Before you guys start complaining about the price of the CS, maybe you should wait and see if you're even privileged with the opportunity to purchase one.


I understand that 85k is a lot of money for a vehicle but the M2 has a niche following and there is more than enough trust-fund babies, collectors, and 'coin-flippers' out there to eat up the limited market share of this ultra M2.

So this dispute is kind of moot..

[Franzino]

Originally Posted by Artemis

BMW, sorry to burst your bubble, but the M2 CS is over-priced. "2200 cars limited edition" = smart ///Marketing. Learning from not labelling the M3 CS and M4 CS 'limited edition': 1263 M3 CS built (out of production now) and 2043 M4 CS built (June 2019 figure - still produced - 3000 were scheduled). 1383 E46 M3 CSL were built and that €85K car wasn't labelled 'limited edition' either. So, 'limited edition': what's in a name ?

This says it all...so the M3 CS is even more limited then the M2 CS should be. Look at the big drops in value on used M3/M4 CS (in Europe). Why would this not be on the M2 CS? All the CS cars are overpriced...but there is also difference between asking the price and actually getting the price. If most people think it's too expensive and not a lot of cars get sold...then maybe there are future deals to make with more realistic pricing?

[Franzino]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Artemis

You said EVERYTHING with M2 €$ . . . Love it!!

///AVM

LOL

[PLF69]

Not a big problem for BMW to sell CS models at discount.. They boost intererest in the brand, convert some new fanboys and probably cost less to make anyways

[GOLFFRR]

can't go wrong with the M2C
(we have a few left at invoice ) car is a little monster!!

but of course if you can afford it, the CS would be pretty sweet.

[mothertongue]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Before you guys start complaining about the price of the CS, maybe you should wait and see if you're even privileged with the opportunity to purchase one.

I understand that 85k is a lot of money for a vehicle but the M2 has a niche following and there is more than enough trust-fund babies, collectors, and 'coin-flippers' out there to eat up the limited market share of this ultra M2.

So this dispute is kind of moot..

There is nothing "ultra" about it, that's the non-moot point. Plenty of people have the money it's just an idiotic purchase as far as specs and performance are being communicated.