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10-16-2019, 10:55 AM | #90 | |
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i usually drive in mdm mode on crap new mexico roads and i havent had wheel hop...i've spun the tires plenty of times. Only time i had wheel hop in my car is launching the car from a uneven surface. i'm on michelin pss i guess you can always upgrade the dampeners or install softer springs but at that point you might as well just get coil overs with custom spring rates. |
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11-17-2019, 12:52 AM | #91 |
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I get it BAD, even sliding sometimes.
Strange enough it FEELS like it's only happening on the right side. Not sure if it's the ol' but diagnostics. But I legit NEED a solution this crap drives me nuts. '19 m2c with MPSS Fully stock running everything from 32 PSI to 38 Psi in the rears. It makes me really dislike this car. |
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11-17-2019, 07:33 AM | #92 | |
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11-17-2019, 01:56 PM | #93 |
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The title of this thread should be "I turned off DSC, stabbed the throttle in mixed traction conditions and can't understand why I have wheel hop" .
This is driver error. I can make just about any car do terrible things if I drive them the wrong way. I can make any car oversteer, I can make any car understeer, I can make just about any car have wheel hop. I guess all of these cars are flawed and I am a great driver. |
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This is definitely NOT driver error. I can control oversteer und undesteer just fine, I have many track days under my belt so no issues there. But hop is another thing. Try drifting a car with hop and see how you like it. In drifting you still have to modulate the throttle to maintain right amount of slip, and hop just ruins it. And some cars do it while others don't yet you blame the driver? That's kind of like saying that if you don't want to spin the wheels you should just not use the gas pedal. Fuck that. Let'em spin. They just shouldn't translate slip into vertical motion. And that comes down to damping, osculation harmonics and suspension setup. Nothing else.
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11-17-2019, 03:31 PM | #96 |
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I got wheel hop constantly when temps went below 40 degrees F with stock Contis. Changed to Michelins, and no problem. I always switch to winter tires when it gets cold out, not so much for snow, but for softer rubber compound in winter.
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11-17-2019, 04:22 PM | #97 |
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You've lost your mind, and must have trouble reading, since I clearly stated that this is the only car I've ever had (other than an early 80's tech Mitsubishi) that had the issue.
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12-14-2019, 04:58 PM | #98 |
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I actually posted on the first page of this thread that I'd never had wheel hop and I must have jinxed myself. Twice in the last two weeks I've gotten it bad! Both times the passenger side which sounds similar to everyone else. First time was rolling onto the throttle (somewhat aggressively) in second gear leaving a parking lot, there was some water at the driveway, and the wheel starting banging up and down like crazy. Second time was a totally dry road, 70* outside, and stepping on it from a roll in first and there it goes banging up and down again.
I'm on the original MPSS, about 9k miles. Going to play with the compression/rebound on the KW to see if I can dampen it down but it really is annoying when it happens. Sounds like the rear end is trying to tear itself to pieces.
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I ran across an article from TC Kline that mentioned what sounds like a very similar situation. In that instance I'd was caused by subframe bushings being too soft. The CS has solid mounts, but I'm unsure what the other models use. Anyhow, I thought I would mention it in case there is a connection. A bad batch of bushings wouldn't wouldn't be out of the realm of possible.
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If you get wheel hop, get out of the throttle immediately. It is hell on the drivetrain and is a great way to snap an axle or break your diff.
I can occasionally get hop on a hard launch with my modded M235 6mt. I could also get it in my 2012 WRX 5MT, 2003 G35 auto, 1996 Maxima 5MT, 1994 Z28 auto, 1990 CRX Si 5MT, and 1986 Accord 5MT. No car is immune to this, especially a manual that's being launched hard or an auto where the gear is manually being held. |
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12-20-2019, 09:04 AM | #102 |
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Driving the M2 in the cold, it likes to lose traction. I occasional get wheel hop, but as soon as I do, I get out of the throttle. Seen too many people break shit at the strip trying to power through it.
I was under the impression it was due to the stock suspension setup being too stiff, and a proper setup on some coils would alleviate it. In a video I watched on YT, one owner mentioned running a softer setup with less aggressive damping helped a ton. |
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Well atleast in a motorcycle the rear hops cause of lack of slipper clutch. Wheel hopping is because the engine speed is greater than the wheel speed right ?
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Lots of idiots in this thread just circle jerking themselves about never experiencing wheel hop because they never try turning nannies off in the car (then they tell us we're the problem). Its funny because people who make these comments don't seem to have ever done any track days, autocross events or any sort of real performance driving. Yet we're the ones who need to learn to drive?
My 2016 hops it low traction conditions as well (its horrible in the rain). From my research its a common problem on the M3/M4 platforms as well and it can be alleviated with suspension mods like coilovers. I personally don't want to make my car stiffer/less complaint on the road so I'm just living with it. If anyone has anyone with real knowledge has meaningful suggestions other than "learn to drive" I'm all ears and would welcome any modification suggestions that would fix the problem without making the vehicle much stiffer on the road. Thanks |
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