[JCZ5]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

If people want it and declare it truly special, then the price will drop a little, hold steady, and maybe rise. If people think it's a polished turd, then it will drop to what the market thinks its worth. Each market will be a little unique.

Make no mistake though, the folks that think this car will drop to the point that it's trading equally with the M2C are going to be waiting a while. My guess is that low to mid 70s will be the risk floor, and CCB won't be worth shit so kiss that 8k goodbye right after you sign the papers.

There is no way the M2CS will drop to M2C levels. Really surprised people would say that. Would a M5C drop to the base M5 price? No way!

In addition, I really think the LE nature of the M2CS will hold it at a certain value.

[seis-speed]

The comparisons to the 1M, don’t work, with the M2 you have the M2, M2competition, & M2CS in 4-5 years of production. With the 1M, it’s just the 1M in one production year. If the M2 was only produced one year, then it would make sense.

The M2CS competitor is the M2Comp at a much lower price, that is why prices might soften, or people may not be willing to spend, not because the CS isn’t great or rare, but the Comp being so close in spec and performance might diminish values, IMO.

[gobuffs]

It’s not an investment in any way. Prices for it over the next few years don’t have any bearing in 20 years. The E36 M3 LWT was a sales disaster for BMW NA, now they are over $100k. And actually the E30 M3 wasn’t a sales success in the US either.

[medphysdave]

A couple of new tidbits in here. The added cooling over the M2C? Maybe the same and confirmed rear seats are Merino leather.

https://www.sytner.co.uk/bmw/news/the-new-bmw-m2-cs/

THE NEW BMW M2 CS.
ON SALE FROM SPRING 2020.
The arrival of the new BMW M2 CS is BMW M GmbH’s first CS model in the premium compact high-performance sector and will build on the success already achieved by the awe-inspiring BMW M3 CS and BMW M4 CS models.

A sports car for everyday use, this special edition will be offered in limited numbers and will form the basis for the BMW M2 CS Racing model, BMW M Motorsport’s new entry point to amateur racing and the new Clubsport segment from the 2020 season.

The exclusive BMW M2 CS is positioned one rung up the performance ladder from the BMW M2 Competition. It blends outstanding track performance with unrestricted everyday usability and sets new, class-leading standards for acceleration, handling dynamics, precision and agility designed to stir the emotions of a younger target audience.

BMW M GmbH has used an array of carbon fibre-reinforced plastic (CFRP) components to convey the sports pedigree of the BMW M2 CS, with power provided by a twin-turbocharged straight-six 450hp engine – up by 40hp from the BMW M2 Competition.The arrival of the new BMW M2 CS is BMW M GmbH’s first CS model in the premium compact high-performance sector and will build on the success already achieved by the awe-inspiring BMW M3 CS and BMW M4 CS models.

EXTERIOR DESIGN.
The BMW M2 CS features a number of design modifications over the BMW M2 Competition, such as a bonnet air vent that helps to dissipate hot air more effectively. The BMW M2 CS has retained its sibling’s large kidney grille and large air intakes in the front apron to optimise the flow of air through the car’s front end. The track-tested cooling system originates from the BMW M4 Competition and comprises a central radiator plus two radiators at the sides, along with an additional engine oil cooler. This sophisticated system ensures that optimum operating temperatures are maintained at all times, not only in everyday road use and on short urban journeys, but also during track outings.

Both the bonnet and the roof on the BMW M2 CS are made entirely from carbon fibre. The bonnet, which includes a central air vent in High-gloss Black, has been designed to aid engine cooling and increase the car’s downforce over the front wheels. The bonnet’s weight has been halved, while the new roof makes the body more rigid and appears to have been cut from the same mould as the rest of the car; no trim strips are needed, meaning no visible joins either. This has the additional effect of enhancing acoustics, both inside and outside the car. Dispensing with the customary roof bows and insulation also saves weight and, together with the lighter bonnet, this serves to lower the vehicle’s centre of gravity, resulting in even better driving dynamics.



INTERIOR DESIGN.
The cabin of the BMW M2 CS blends fine Alcantara and innovative lightweight design. Its centre console is made entirely of lightweight carbon fibre, producing a weight saving of more than 50 per cent compared with the standard car. CFRP has also been used for the door handles and door panel trims.

Other features include a door sill plate with M2 CS badging and the lightweight M Sport driver’s seat fitted in the BMW M4 CS. The seat’s bucket-style design takes its inspiration directly from motor racing and guarantees optimum lateral support even when the driver is pushing the limits on the racetrack. The seat backrests are upholstered in Merino leather and Alcantara: they feature red contrast stitching which is carried through on the armrests, the centre console and the door and side panel trim. The front seats’ integral head restraints feature BMW M stripes, while the Merino rear seats sport CS badging and continue the CS-specific red contrast stitching.

ENGINE AND PERFORMANCE.
The twin-turbocharged six-cylinder in-line engine in the BMW M2 CS is derived from the unit fitted in the BMW M4 Competition Coupe. The engine uses BMW TwinPower Turbo technology and generates 450hp, which is 40hp more than the BMW M2 Competition. Peak torque of 550Nm is on tap between 2,350 and 5,500rpm and this enables the BMW M2 CS to race from zero to 62mph in just 4.0 seconds when equipped with the optional seven-speed M double-clutch transmission (M DCT). The same sprint takes 4.2 seconds with the six‑speed manual gearbox. Top speed of the special-edition model, which comes complete with the M Driver’s Package, is an electronically governed 174mph.

Manual models achieve combined fuel consumption figures of 27.2-27.7mpg and combined CO2 emissions of 238-233g/km*.

Cars fitted with the M DCT transmission return 29.4mpg-30.1mpg with CO2 emissions of 219-214g/km*.


The M2 CS also benefits from a high level of upgraded standard features over and above the M2 Competition. The BMW Icon Adaptive LED headlights with High Beam Assistant ensure a distinctive appearance on the road with hexagonal day time driving lights, whilst the harman/kardon sound system improves the interior audio experience. Sun Protection Glazing is included as standard, rounding off the sporting appearance of the M2 CS.

The BMW M2 CS is available to order today with first orders arriving in Spring 2020. Contact your local Sytner BMW retailer to find out more.

[Mastertec]

Thats a lot of good info. Any idea when production will restart?

[medphysdave]

No word on US. Read that BMW factories down through April 30. My hunch is that June will be the earliest we see allocations and deliveries starting November into 2021 and more likely allocations in August with deliveries in January

[devo]

I believe time will be friendly to the CS.

[RPM33]

Originally Posted by devo

I believe time will be friendly to the CS.

The fact that the CS is a limited edition car in small quantities gives it a chance to hold value better than the normal production vehicles. Another point is the G87 M2 CS may not come out until 2026 or so. Plus the CS is the last BMW with a DCT. All of these make the CS unique and uniqueness usually holds value.

[devo]

Originally Posted by RPM33

The fact that the CS is a limited edition car in small quantities gives it a chance to hold value better than the normal production vehicles. Another point is the G87 M2 CS may not come out until 2026 or so. Plus the CS is the last BMW with a DCT. All of these make the CS unique and uniqueness usually holds value.

Agree on all these points.

I believe the Comp is the best value and not because I own one. Not to get into another ad nauseam convo about what car is better just stating how I feel having owned a 2018 LCI and my current '19.

However, I feel the CS will be a fantastic drive which cannot be conveyed until one owns one over the long term.

Given the current global situation, the surge of EV cars, diminishing manuals, ^ now the lack of auto dual clutches and speculated future manufacturing costs, I expect the CS to be a find in later years.

It looks sexy as hell to me and again will likely be a great drive; much better than paper can describe.

[F87EVO]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

No word on US. Read that BMW factories down through April 30. My hunch is that June will be the earliest we see allocations and deliveries starting November into 2021 and more likely allocations in August with deliveries in January

I think that only the plant in South Carolina will be closed until 30th of April , the other plants will be opening 19th of April ! Germany is the 2nd best country after Israel that deals with the virus .

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by F87 M2CS

I think that only the plant in South Carolina will be closed until 30th of April , the other plants will be opening 19th of April ! Germany is the 2nd best country after Israel that deals with the virus .

I thought I ran across an article that referenced German factories as well. I'll try to find it to see if legitimate.

https://www.archyde.com/bmw-extends-...ntil-april-30/

South Carolina for sure, but no specifics on other factories

[F87EVO]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

I thought I can't access an article that referenced German factories as well. I'll try to find it to see if legitimate.

https://www.archyde.com/bmw-extends-...ntil-april-30/

South Carolina for sure, but no specifics on other factories

That's what i've found. And saw it in different sites , but this might be the most legit.

https://www.bmwblog.com/2020/04/06/b...ough-april-30/

[medphysdave]

Italian M2 CS not claimed with 11.8% discount and still configurable. Expected delivery 6/19/2020

https://www.automobile.it/pieve-cent...e-cs/150051763

[Ref. 13176231] Vehicle code: 1088769 Total New List with Options & Accessories? .100900 -11.78% discount! Saving of? .11.890,00 The price is calculated with the following discounts: -10640? discount-1250? Bonus Financing "NEW factory car! This car has been ordered, it is expected to arrive on 19/06/2020 BUILD THE CUSTOM-MADE CAR FOR YOU WITH THE MAXIMUM DISCOUNT OBTAINABLE! This car can be customized at your convenience for another 7 days!

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

Italian M2 CS not claimed with 11.8% discount and still configurable. Expected delivery 6/19/2020
https://www.automobile.it/pieve-cent...e-cs/150051763
[Ref. 13176231] Vehicle code: 1088769 Total New List with Options & Accessories? .100900 -11.78% discount! Saving of? .11.890,00 The price is calculated with the following discounts: -10640? discount-1250? Bonus Financing "NEW factory car! This car has been ordered, it is expected to arrive on 19/06/2020 BUILD THE CUSTOM-MADE CAR FOR YOU WITH THE MAXIMUM DISCOUNT OBTAINABLE! This car can be customized at your convenience for another 7 days!

No official BMW dealer. Maybe a case of COVID-19 buyer's remorse or a coin-flipper having second thoughts ?

[///M1]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

Italian M2 CS not claimed

This car can be customized at your convenience for another 7 days!

I wonder if I am reading too much into it, but does that mean allocation locks in a few days, which would equate to production restarting and hence no further build modifications allowed? Perhaps a good sign that things will start flowing back to normal.

[seis-speed]

Deliveries are happening in Europe, we need weights and reviews of these cars, but with the current situation, that may be difficult. Here is HS with gold wheels.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B_DMVhGJ...d=fzlkqe51m2pp

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by seis-speed

Deliveries are happening in Europe, we need weights and reviews of these cars, but with the current situation, that may be difficult. Here is HS with gold wheels.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B_DMVhGJ...d=fzlkqe51m2pp

Sorry Dave, but those gold wheels are no beuno!

Can I talk you over to the 'dark side?'

///AVM

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Sorry Dave, but those gold wheels are no beuno!

Can I talk you over to the 'dark side?'

///AVM

I must say..... I'm not sure I'm going to end up with gold wheels. I was all set for HS and gold wheels but this picture turned me off. Especially when HS with black looks so good. Black with gold would look good, but don't want to maintain a black car. Better to see it now, then when I'm taking delivery.

The combos I like from real images.

HS BLK wheels
BLK BLK wheels
MB GLD wheels

I imagine black with gold wheels will look good

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Sorry Dave, but those gold wheels are no beuno!

Can I talk you over to the 'dark side?'

///AVM

I like them for some reason, what's the matter, they too Liberace for your style?

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by Poochie

I like them for some reason, what's the matter, they too Liberace for your style?

Haha Poochie . . . yes, Liberace is an adequate descriptor.

Sport cars and sporty coupes deserve 'mean,' not 'pimped.'

///AVM

[Hegge]

With these cars landing in Europe, you would think US allocations and orders would probably start in July?

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by Hegge

With these cars landing in Europe, you would think US allocations and orders would probably start in July?

Not sure. Can't think straight. Still recovering from HS and gold not working out. . The question is how far behind production isat the moment and when these cars we produced.