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      05-19-2018, 04:28 PM   #45
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M2Chubby...clever, lol.

Are you guys seriously concerned about 150lbs? If so, start eating salads and drinking water. Most North Americans are overweight. I'm sure a lot of us can stand to drop 20-40lbs, some even more. I had my LCI corner balanced for a 200lbs driver...I'm only 6'1...no way I should weigh this much...180 is more reasonable. Much cheaper (and healthier) to lose a few yourself than swapping out body panels that won't be installed/painted by the factory. I realize it's not an option for all, but let's be honest...it's an option for many!
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M2Chubby...clever, lol.

Are you guys seriously concerned about 150lbs? If so, start eating salads and drinking water. Most North Americans are overweight. I'm sure a lot of us can stand to drop 20-40lbs, some even more. I had my LCI corner balanced for a 200lbs driver...I'm only 6'1...no way I should weigh this much...180 is more reasonable. Much cheaper (and healthier) to lose a few yourself than swapping out body panels that won't be installed/painted by the factory. I realize it's not an option for all, but let's be honest...it's an option for many!
Lol - here's to good health and driving!

I'm certainly not the most technical guy, but curious how the power-to-weight ratios compare.

I bet the additional output of the S55 should mitigate the added weight, somewhat..
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CF hood and fenders are almost a must now. Hope they don't rape us on those. I will not however do the CF roof, F that noise.
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M2Chubby...clever, lol.

Are you guys seriously concerned about 150lbs? If so, start eating salads and drinking water. Most North Americans are overweight. I'm sure a lot of us can stand to drop 20-40lbs, some even more. I had my LCI corner balanced for a 200lbs driver...I'm only 6'1...no way I should weigh this much...180 is more reasonable. Much cheaper (and healthier) to lose a few yourself than swapping out body panels that won't be installed/painted by the factory. I realize it's not an option for all, but let's be honest...it's an option for many!
Haha!
Good thing we can spend $6,000 plus to save 40 lbs on a hood, roof and trunk. And not even get close to the first gen. 40hp more compensates some for the weight, but enough? Really not sure about this car by comparison, I've been very hopeful.
I start to realize why the Mc Laren 570s is such a cool car. About 3000 lbs and 560 hp. Granted, not in the same category.
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M2Chubby...clever, lol.

Are you guys seriously concerned about 150lbs? If so, start eating salads and drinking water. Most North Americans are overweight. I'm sure a lot of us can stand to drop 20-40lbs, some even more. I had my LCI corner balanced for a 200lbs driver...I'm only 6'1...no way I should weigh this much...180 is more reasonable. Much cheaper (and healthier) to lose a few yourself than swapping out body panels that won't be installed/painted by the factory. I realize it's not an option for all, but let's be honest...it's an option for many!
Haha!
Good thing we can spend $6,000 plus to save 40 lbs on a hood, roof and trunk. And not even get close to the first gen. 40hp more compensates some for the weight, but enough? Really not sure about this car by comparison, I've been very hopeful.
I start to realize why the Mc Laren 570s is such a cool car. About 3000 lbs and 560 hp. Granted, not in the same category.
You can buy many M2Cs with the McLaren money....
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Lol - here's to good health and driving!

I'm certainly not the most technical guy, but curious how the power-to-weight ratios compare.

I bet the additional output of the S55 should mitigate the added weight, somewhat..
Yes, it has a better power-to-weight ratio.

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M2 MT: 1,565kg / 275kW = 5.69
M2 DCT: 1,590kg / 275kW = 5.78

M2c MT: 1,633kg / 302kW = 5.40
M2c DCT: 1,658kg / 302kW = 5.49
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Some of you are all so illogical. Who would spend many thousands to reduce 100-200 pounds?

Majority of you don’t track. Majority of you won’t even feel the difference. If you really care, just remove your passenger seat when you do your weekend autocross.

Geez...quit lying to yourself that you need the extra weight savings
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The most influential factor IMO is going to be the torque. Unlike the M2 which has 343ft-lbs and goes to 369ft-lbs with overboost, the M2c will have 406ft-lbs all the time. I'm as curious as the next person to see how the M2c delivers its power, but it's heavier. That's not good for handling, but they revised the suspension so really have no idea how that translates on track. We can do paper exercises all day long, the real test is seeing this thing put through its pace.
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The most influential factor IMO is going to be the torque. Unlike the M2 which has 343ft-lbs and goes to 369ft-lbs with overboost, the M2c will have 406ft-lbs all the time. I'm as curious as the next person to see how the M2c delivers its power, but it's heavier. That's not good for handling, but they revised the suspension so really have no idea how that translates on track. We can do paper exercises all day long, the real test is seeing this thing put through its pace.
I'm sure once you get above 50 mph or so, the M2C will start pulling away from the M2C when horsepower starts to negate the weight difference in a straight line. Watch the road tests for the 50-70 and "passing" numbers.
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M2Chubby...clever, lol.

Are you guys seriously concerned about 150lbs? If so, start eating salads and drinking water. Most North Americans are overweight. I'm sure a lot of us can stand to drop 20-40lbs, some even more. I had my LCI corner balanced for a 200lbs driver...I'm only 6'1...no way I should weigh this much...180 is more reasonable. Much cheaper (and healthier) to lose a few yourself than swapping out body panels that won't be installed/painted by the factory. I realize it's not an option for all, but let's be honest...it's an option for many!
Haha!
Good thing we can spend $6,000 plus to save 40 lbs on a hood, roof and trunk. And not even get close to the first gen. 40hp more compensates some for the weight, but enough? Really not sure about this car by comparison, I've been very hopeful.
I start to realize why the Mc Laren 570s is such a cool car. About 3000 lbs and 560 hp. Granted, not in the same category.
I've been looking at the grand sport lately and it's seems like a great bargain. 3400 lbs, 460hp, pulls 1.2g, low as skateboard and wide as a bus, with 335 section rear tires. Wtf. Why is the M2 so heavy?!
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If anyone wants the BMW data on the N55 powered M2 here it is.
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If you want a lighter weight car in the same category, go buy the Audi RS3.
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J/K. I still think it will be a great car but will (like many others) just stick with my LCI (no matter how good the reviews are and no matter how many reviewers say it's an improvement over the original) - this plus the fact that the wife would literally kill me - selling my LCI only to to get an identical (to my wife they are completely identical) newer M2C. Just not worth the pain.

What will be worth the "pain" will be putting on the carbon fiber bits esp the hood!!!

Make no mistake if I had not bought my LCI I would buy the slightly obese M2C in a heartbeat. It will be a great car too!!
I'd be happy with an LCI.
But I want to do an ED next year, so I have to buy new. I think either is a win.

As long as the CF bonnet and boot aren't too costly, I may do them, as much because I think they'll look awesome on a BSM car with the CF exposed as per the HS car. Plus weight savings too, but why not get best of both worlds.

I am hopeful that with BMW's acquisition of that CF company (I think it was an acquisition anyway, not just a partnership) that they can/will put out CF bits a little cheaper than they have in the past. That said, I expect every major piece (boot, bonnet, each fender) will probably cost $1k.

I think the biggest bang for the buck on this car though is going to be aftermarket or M-Perf exhaust. Save weight and fix the sound.
I'm leaning toward the AA Signature setup, but will be interested in seeing the M-Perf exhaust, as long as it doesn't cost $6k like I think it will.
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If you want a lighter weight car in the same category, go buy the Audi RS3.
No MT in the Audi.
Sorry, that's a must-have for a fun car for me.

Cars are becoming less and less connected to the driver, so I like to maintain the deeper connectedness that MT gives you.

Plus, I like the control over when it shifts.
And before anybody says "but you can shift manually with a DCT..." just stop. DCT is still an automatic transmission. Even in manual mode, it will still shift automatically if you hit its mode-based shift points on the top or bottom end.
DCT May be faster, and it's great tech, but at the end of the day, it's just a fancy AT with some degree of manual controllability (that it will override if it wants to).

I'm not saying everybody should get MT, it's not for everyone, but for me it's the only way to fly (and yes, I DD A 6MT every day in my commute in stop-and-go Boston area traffic, and don't consider it the least bit burdensome - it's just part of the joy of driving).
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Some of you are all so illogical. Who would spend many thousands to reduce 100-200 pounds?

Majority of you don’t track. Majority of you won’t even feel the difference. If you really care, just remove your passenger seat when you do your weekend autocross.

Geez...quit lying to yourself that you need the extra weight savings
Exactly.. my current M2 on track feels the same running by myself or running with a passenger.

If we were talking about 300-400 more lbs is one thing but 150 is not much in my opinion..

How much does a full tank of gas do vs a quarter tank only
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I'd assume it's the 788M. The thing I find amusing about this is the 0.1% better weight distribution the M2c has over the M2. That's awesome, now if you'll excuse me I need to go look at used Porsche's.
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Some of you are all so illogical. Who would spend many thousands to reduce 100-200 pounds?

Majority of you don’t track. Majority of you won’t even feel the difference. If you really care, just remove your passenger seat when you do your weekend autocross.

Geez...quit lying to yourself that you need the extra weight savings
Seriously? Wait till CF body panels are released. Many people will be spending much more than just a couple grand to save less than 100lbs. This is going to be a dual purpose car for me, both dd and track (10+ track days in a year). Is it too much to ask for a car that our European friends are getting? I don't want to deal with removing my passenger seat or ripping off other components of the car to achieve a decent weight. I'm all for a small, more compact car but it's just absurd to ignore the 150lbs weight increase over the US spec M2 LCI or 182lbs weight increase over the EU spec M2C.
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I see redline on M2C is specced to be 7k rpms.. Wasnt it touted to have a higher redline than M2? I think M3/M4 is 7600 rpms
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No MT in the Audi.
Sorry, that's a must-have for a fun car for me.

Cars are becoming less and less connected to the driver, so I like to maintain the deeper connectedness that MT gives you.
I actually agree with you. I have always driven manuals and love them. I was just posting this to make the point that everyone complaining about the added weight has other choices, even in the same category of cars. I test drove the RS3 today and although I liked it. Big improvement for Audi but I know I would get bored driving it regularly. It's super quick but it's not engaging. I did like the steering and it is only 3340 lbs., so definitely lighter. Anyway, I am not super worried about the added weight. Lots of folks were complaining about how much the current M2 weighs initially and now those same people are saying how much lighter the M2 is than the M2C. It's just silly.
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150 extra lbs isn’t a huge deal but the current car at 3450 was already porky. I hope it doesn’t lose the great turn in with the extra weight in the front
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I see redline on M2C is specced to be 7k rpms.. Wasnt it touted to have a higher redline than M2? I think M3/M4 is 7600 rpms
That isn’t the redline. That is max engine speed at max power. Peak hp at 7000, then is dies off to 7600. A characteristic of turbo engine, the S55 does minimize it a bit. N55 M2 peak power is at 6500.
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That isn’t the redline. That is max engine speed at max power. Peak hp at 7000, then is dies off to 7600. A characteristic of turbo engine, the S55 does minimize it a bit. N55 M2 peak power is at 6500.
Yep.. Good catch!
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Seriously? Wait till CF body panels are released. Many people will be spending much more than just a couple grand to save less than 100lbs. This is going to be a dual purpose car for me, both dd and track (10+ track days in a year). Is it too much to ask for a car that our European friends are getting? I don't want to deal with removing my passenger seat or ripping off other components of the car to achieve a decent weight. I'm all for a small, more compact car but it's just absurd to ignore the 150lbs weight increase over the US spec M2 LCI or 182lbs weight increase over the EU spec M2C.
You’re a good guy and all, but what you and all other folks are saying is plain stupid.

120 pounds / 3600 pounds = 3.33%. You won’t feel shit.

If anyone needs to argue, you’re just some pretentious person that knows little about performance. If you care enough, target 10% weight reduction and skip out on all the luxurious amentities

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