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      11-16-2019, 09:23 PM   #23
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Revving the flat six in this puppy to 7500 rpm was pretty sweet indeed
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So not a car.....but definitely a driver.

My 1970 Donzi Ski-sporter, now called a Sweet 16'

The pics are when it had a complete retro-fit. She has a Ford 351 Holman Moody race prepped, About 400 HP, with open wet exhaust. Still not broken in, but revs out to over 6000 RPM, a "D" coupon ride.
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My 1970 Donzi Ski-sporter, now called a Sweet 16'

The pics are when it had a complete retro-fit. She has a Ford 351 Holman Moody race prepped, About 400 HP, with open wet exhaust. Still not broken in, but revs out to over 6000 RPM, a "D" coupon ride.
That's some down-home goodness, right there. I'm a Ford guy from way back. Still have a bunch of Holman-Moody big-block Ford parts. Had a wonderful conversation once with Kenny Thomson, one of the original H-M crew when Ford was pumping big bucks into their shop.
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Ferrari 458 for me.

570 hp at 9000 rpm. Surprisingly good torque with 400 ft-lbs at 6000rpm, and 80% of that available below 3200 rpm.

By comparison the E92 S65 is about a 12% smaller engine (4.0 vs 4.5)... but makes 160 less hp and 100 ft-lbs less torque (25% down).

The new GT3 is also a 4.0, but down 2 cylinders. surprisingly it puts down similar power curves to the 458 numbers. probably more to do with Porsche under rating and Ferrari over inflating their crank numbers.
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The S65 in my E90 was sublime. Especially the induction noise with a good intake. With the turn to mostly turbo variants, I feel these high revving NA motors that just wonít stop building power are that much more of a treat. The S2000, the GT-350... What makes your list of favorites?
How could you leave the Miata out?
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Just remembered one from waaaaaay back. In the mid-1980s a friend of mine had a Fiat Dino. It was from when Fiat owned Ferrari. Bertone coachwork, and a Ferrari 2-liter DOHC 24-valve V6. Gorgeous motor; we had it apart when he restored the car, and the machining was spectacular. That thing made a heavenly racket at high revs, bombing down narrow 2-lane roads lined with pine trees in northern Minnesota.
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The S65 in my E90 was sublime. Especially the induction noise with a good intake. With the turn to mostly turbo variants, I feel these high revving NA motors that just won't stop building power are that much more of a treat. The S2000, the GT-350... What makes your list of favorites?
How could you leave the Miata out?
The Miata motor is good, but in so many ways it feels like an AP1 S2k motor until its redline, while the Honda still has two thousand more revs of fun remaining.

The S2000 was a brilliant car, it's a shame that Honda hasn't done another rwd car since. Also a shame that Mazda has never really given an Nx car a motor with similar power.
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My 2002 S2000 with Comptech exhaust....shifted at 9,000 RPM just before the 9,250 RPM rev limiter....such a wicked sound from a 2 litre 240 HP engine,
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I miss the V8 in my '14 Mustang. I had it tuned and redline was 7200. With a GT500 exhaust it sounded sooooo good. Owning a Turbo 6 makes me realize I NEED a V8 in my life.
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I've yet to sample an ICE car under $100k that is as smooth at high revs (>8000rpm) than from a 13b Rotary. Compared to pistons, this thing feels like... "double cream".

Warm up lights like the M3.


It has the characteristic of the sporty handling between S2000 with BMW 3-series comfort. In a word - sublime.


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The Miata motor is good, but in so many ways it feels like an AP1 S2k motor until its redline, while the Honda still has two thousand more revs of fun remaining.

The S2000 was a brilliant car, it's a shame that Honda hasn't done another rwd car since. Also a shame that Mazda has never really given an Nx car a motor with similar power.
If S2K gets on the list, then Miata belongs as well. I own a Mazdaspeed Miata. Underrated fun. Once I get a MBC, I can up the boost.
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The Miata motor is good, but in so many ways it feels like an AP1 S2k motor until its redline, while the Honda still has two thousand more revs of fun remaining.

The S2000 was a brilliant car, it's a shame that Honda hasn't done another rwd car since. Also a shame that Mazda has never really given an Nx car a motor with similar power.
If S2K gets on the list, then Miata belongs as well. I own a Mazdaspeed Miata. Underrated fun. Once I get a MBC, I can up the boost.
I guess I just don't see them as comparable. One had a 9k rpm screamer, the other had a 323GTX Motor that lost its turbo (which the MS didn't nearly replicate). Both are fun cars, I've owned a few Miatas, but if we're just talking motors, not the whole package, the Honda is miles better.
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I guess I just don't see them as comparable. One had a 9k rpm screamer, the other had a 323GTX Motor that lost its turbo (which the MS didn't nearly replicate). Both are fun cars, I've owned a few Miatas, but if we're just talking motors, not the whole package, the Honda is miles better.
I've owned a few too & driven many S2000s since they 1st came out. Both are fun cars, yes. Both have good drivetrains. For what a used S2K cost today, give me 2 or 3 clean Miatas for the same $.
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I guess I just don't see them as comparable. One had a 9k rpm screamer, the other had a 323GTX Motor that lost its turbo (which the MS didn't nearly replicate). Both are fun cars, I've owned a few Miatas, but if we're just talking motors, not the whole package, the Honda is miles better.
I agree. I have owned several S2000s and even more Miatas. Not comparable at all engine-wise. I don't even think of the Miata as high-revving.
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I guess I just don't see them as comparable. One had a 9k rpm screamer, the other had a 323GTX Motor that lost its turbo (which the MS didn't nearly replicate). Both are fun cars, I've owned a few Miatas, but if we're just talking motors, not the whole package, the Honda is miles better.
I've owned a few too & driven many S2000s since they 1st came out. Both are fun cars, yes. Both have good drivetrains. For what a used S2K cost today, give me 2 or 3 clean Miatas for the same $.
Sort of testament to which was the better car, isn't it?
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Are some of the cars posted in this thread really high revving? 8k seems like it should be the minimum.
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I guess I just don't see them as comparable. One had a 9k rpm screamer, the other had a 323GTX Motor that lost its turbo (which the MS didn't nearly replicate). Both are fun cars, I've owned a few Miatas, but if we're just talking motors, not the whole package, the Honda is miles better.
IIRC the AP1 has a 9000rpm redline which was quickly replaced by the AP2 which has a lower 8300rpm redline. Personally I feel the AP2 has a more useable power band. Still visceral yet drive-able on the street.

Miata doesn't become the best selling sports car of all time without good reasons. While they are no revvers (actually they felt uncouth at high rpms), they are so fun even tooling along Main St. Yet they are more Miatas at the track than all the cars posted here on any given weekend. Now that says something about this diminutive Mazda.

As the world marches towards soulless digital vehicular appliances, I wish I have the money to buy all these great analog vehicles that ooze character.
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