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      11-05-2019, 08:03 PM   #1
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M2C better buy if M2 CS limited or too expensive?

I present a question...let's say due to limited quantities one is unable to secure a M2CS allocation or one does not want to, if the price is >$90K (insert your threshold amount). Does anyone think the M2C is still the best "value proposition?"

I have been waiting for the M2CS to be announced for some time. Thus holding out on the M2C. However, hearing only approx 500 (unconfirmed) will be coming to the US and with pricing above $90K. It really has me rethinking the M2C. Anyone else the same?

The M2C can now be had for a discount and may be discounted even further next year. So basically fully loaded (MT, Exec) for mid $50K or aiming for $60K OTD or less! That is pretty incredible especially when on the road, it does 80% of the CS? And M2C is still considered one of BMW's best drivers car.

If in this scenario, I would miss the go fast bits. But what I would miss the most, are the merino seats.

What are your thoughts?
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I have been waiting for the M2CS to be announced for some time. Thus holding out on the M2C. However, hearing only approx 500 (unconfirmed) will be coming to the US and with pricing above $90K. It really has me rethinking the M2C. Anyone else the same?
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      11-05-2019, 08:28 PM   #3
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I think the CS will be out of reach for most people and the next best thing will be a clean M2C.
Kind of like the E46 M3 CSL. Hard to get, and people tend to want a clean E46 M3 as the next best thing.
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      11-05-2019, 09:50 PM   #4
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I like the CS, but for what you get seems too expensive. Also, all that carbon fiber appears to only net a 18 lb weight loss.

That money you save can buy you a gym membership and a tune.
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      11-05-2019, 10:14 PM   #5
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Disclaimer: I own a 2020 M2C, which I bought with plenty of lead time and knowledge the CS was on the horizon.

I would argue that the M2C is closer to 90% of the CS. Let's be honest, most of the standard features of the CS are straight from the BMW M Performance catalog.

If you optioned your M2C like I did, with the M Performance CF spoiler, CF mirror caps, CF diffuser, CF front lip, the Alcántara Electronic race steering wheel, and the stainless steel pedals, then you're even closer.

That being said, yes those items are now standard on the CS but you're also going to pay for them in the cost, make no mistake! That's not accounting for the inevitable mark-up dealers are going to charge for the limited run.

The 39HP, the seats, hood and roof are about the only things off the top of my head that aren't from the catalogue.

I doubt you'd notice the .1 second faster to 60MPH from the additional 39HP and while nice, if you really want that power, get the CS tune flashed to your M2C when that's available..... the hardware is exactly the same, no?

With all that, I'd love to have the CF roof and the hood would be cool... the seats are meh...

Long story short, if you really want the CS and are okay with paying the premium, by all means.

If not, you're certainly not sacrificing much at all for a car that looks and functions 95% (with those M performance parts, 90% without) the same, in my opinion.
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      11-05-2019, 10:53 PM   #6
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Biased group here for sure (including me, but like most I knew the M2CS was coming before I purchased the M2C).

That said:
  • Mostly a daily driver? I cannot see an advantage to the CS.
  • Track rat? Consider the CS.
  • Price? Consider $80K before dealer markup....
  • If you are truly going to replace the hood and roof of your M2C with CF parts, the CS might make sense at MSRP (good luck).
  • Attention: I prefer a q-ship for my DD, and the M2C is already borderline in that area. I don't want front spoilers, larger rear spoilers, etc.

The M2C remains a great value for the performance. We'll see how the M2CS stacks up.
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      11-05-2019, 10:59 PM   #7
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Same engine. Tune it and your faster.
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You can't go wrong with either.

Up until this week, the M2C was my favourite car of all time.

The M2cs looks even better though. Indications are showing 50% higher price than M2C and Australia will only get 20 to 50 of them. So I think our base price will be AUD$150k USD$103k. I reckon the US price will be $85-90k

Unless I come to my senses I think I am going to put a deposit on one this week. May as well go with the CCBs as well as I don't want those truck brakes.

To be honest though, it is a total waste of money when the M2C is such an absolutely brilliant car.
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      11-06-2019, 01:54 AM   #9
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This is the M2C section, so you're going to get a lot of biased replies... but they're probably not wrong. The CS models of the F80 and F82 are not that much better of a car, but they are a lot more money. The CS is hands down better, but it's not a great performance value. Even the M2C is pushing it, in my opinion.
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      11-06-2019, 04:39 AM   #10
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IMO, the only true advantage of the M2CS is its limited availibility. Sure it may hold its value more or maybe it'll even go up, but you also might pay more upfront that could wipe out any potential gain in the future...and that's if you barely drive it...in which case, what's even the point of getting it?

As others have mentioned, you can get most of the parts off the catalog, so I don't think you'll miss out on much there.

Plus, at the price point of 90-100k, there are other cars out there that I'd rather get.

So, unless you just don't care about the money and you just want the "best," just get the M2C. Imagine dumping the difference in cost into it...wouldn't you think it can be MUCH better?
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I'd like to add...

I just thought of the potential personal property tax I'd have to pay living in VA. Uuugggghhh!

I hate giving the taxman free money!

I'm extra bitter this morning as I just saw my new payslip...I had just gotten a raise...or should I say the taxman just got a raise?! Ahhhhh!
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same crank hub issue? ?
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M2CS, way too expensive.
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      11-06-2019, 07:02 AM   #14
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Disclaimer: I own a 2020 M2C, which I bought with plenty of lead time and knowledge the CS was on the horizon.

I would argue that the M2C is closer to 90% of the CS. Let's be honest, most of the standard features of the CS are straight from the BMW M Performance catalog.

If you optioned your M2C like I did, with the M Performance CF spoiler, CF mirror caps, CF diffuser, CF front lip, the Alcántara Electronic race steering wheel, and the stainless steel pedals, then you're even closer.

That being said, yes those items are now standard on the CS but you're also going to pay for them in the cost, make no mistake! That's not accounting for the inevitable mark-up dealers are going to charge for the limited run.

The 39HP, the seats, hood and roof are about the only things off the top of my head that aren't from the catalogue.

I doubt you'd notice the .1 second faster to 60MPH from the additional 39HP and while nice, if you really want that power, get the CS tune flashed to your M2C when that's available..... the hardware is exactly the same, no?

With all that, I'd love to have the CF roof and the hood would be cool... the seats are meh...

Long story short, if you really want the CS and are okay with paying the premium, by all means.

If not, you're certainly not sacrificing much at all for a car that looks and functions 95% (with those M performance parts, 90% without) the same, in my opinion.
Pretty much the same thoughts from me. I knew the CS was coming and bought a M2C a few months ago. No regrets, it's a fun entertaining car.

Some people seem to think the suspension is a bit harsh but I like it. In some respects, the non-runflat tires and the suspension set up handle some roads better than my 340 with runflats. I can do without the adaptive dampers.

Will you notice 39hp more? Highly doubt it and I am sure a tune will be available after the release of the CS.

Then there is the issue of whether you can actually secure a CS... only 500 for USA? Going to be out of reach of most people.

Don't forget color choices! I really wanted Long Beach Blue.
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The CS is just a M catalog CF parts addition. That’s a lot of money for a cosmetic change as the weight savings is a minor, minor foot note. This is pure BMW marketing from its play book to extract more money and I am not a price point buyer and I can see that.

I don’t care for the CF add-on look myself other than the hood. The hp bump remains to be be seen as real world dyno runs of a stock M2C proves not to have been detuned. The take away is it’s a cosmetic addition more than anything as the performance difference between the two will be negligible. If you wanted to personalize or trick out your M2C, you could do it yourself for a lot less money.
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For me it was easy. No Sunset Orange, no CS.
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$30k more than a regular M2c damn I feel like I got a hell of a bargain with my M2c.

I highly doubt the M2CS will sell well with only a 5 percent more performance gain over it’s sibling and $30k price jump.
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I got my 2020 M2C for $60k OTD. 6MT, Sunset Orange, Exec Package. I actually used the upcoming CS release to negotiate a lower price. If the DME was unlocked on the 20s, you could throw a tune on and power would be well above the CS, and all the carbon bits can be added (less the roof). I love the carbon roof, but that's about the only piece on the CS (that I saw), that isn't easily added. Unless you have $90-100k burning a HUGE hole in your pocket, I would say snag a Comp for $30-40k less and add the parts YOU want (coils, wheels, exhaust, carbon bits, etc) and still have some money left.

On the parts subject, if you're after a track setup, a $60k M2 Comp with $30k of go-fast bits is going to be MUCH faster around a track than a stock $90k M2 CS. If you're trying to be the only one at Cars and Coffee with an M2CS, then I guess your decision is pretty much already made.
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There have been no confirmed reports from BMW on the US pricing or 500 US numbers. On pricing if you are comparing the EU price, please don't forget about the 25% VAT plus cars are typically 20-30% cheaper in the US. On the 500 number, the main (first) article to quote that number for the US has since updated the story to retract that statement as BMW told them it was not finalized yet.

Will the price probably be to high like the M3/4CS were, yeah probably.

Will the number be limited for the US, yeah definitely.

But we shouldn't put much stock in early leaked reports until BMWNA has had a chance to price these out and finalize allocation amounts. Although does make for some interesting what if discussions.

At the end of the day, like the M2C, this is going to have mark up galore.
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Here the CS is 38k euros more expensive than the Comp, no sense.
And the Misano smurfs Blue is awful, where is the San Marino Blue?? And those red calipers with gold wheels, disgusting.
The perfect mix of beauty and sportiness of the M4CS is a distant memory.
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Word on the streets the M2C is being marked down by up to 20%.

So as much as I would love a "Limited Production" vehicle like a CS, if I could easily snatch up a M2C w/sunroof for for under $55,000, I would take that in a heartbeat.

However, if money ain't a thang, then I would shoot for the CS; it will pay for itself with static deprecation, whenever you're ready to sell.
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