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      08-14-2015, 11:40 AM   #89
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It matters to me too. I agree with many complaints. It's very responsive at various RPM ranges. Top end? The turbo is A problem. We need something that can actually pull to 7500. The s55 isn't particularly happy at that level. It still falls off. Cooling? The s55 has cooling issues. The n55's air to air is just undersized. I'm telling you the n55 would be as "special" or more special than the s55 with a couple things. Water to Air, a larger compressor and some serious oil cooling. That's it. If anything it would be happier up top compared to the s55. Well and a lighter flywheel assembly.
Just to make sure we're on the same page, I don't care what designation they put on the motor. The letters and numbers don't matter to me. IMO, the S55 is a very powerful motor, but in terms of character, I'm not particularly impressed. So I agree with you, in part. It's not like the S55 is some kind of high bar by which we should measure the world.

Plenty of people are going to get angry at me for that, but it's my opinion. There is space in my mind for conflicting views. I appreciate the S55 for what it is, but I'm not willing to compromise further. If there's any wishful thinking going on, it's that the N55 is able to rise to the level expected of a proper sports car motor with a few bolt on changes.

I'd add that many of the things you listed don't enhance the character of the motor. They're basic requirements for a sports car engine. It's like saying, "I'd like a chair with four legs, but three will still do the job." Technically, a correct statement, but what the hell?! Is that the bar we're setting for BMW?

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If anything it would be happier up top compared to the s55.
I had to extract this one. If you actually believe this, I'm not sure what to tell you. The N55B30T0 is going to be something just north of an N55 with a PPK. Care to venture a guess where PPK delivers the most power? Right in the mid-range. Know what that means? A cliff of a torque curve that makes the S55's torque curve look like pancake.

IMO, the only possibility of the N55B30T0 delivering a passable experience (from my perspective) will require the addition of a second turbo, and I have serious doubts about that happening. It wouldn't be completely unprecedented. I did some more research the other day, and there is some evidence that BMW is willing to change turbocharger configuration in order to increase performance. The N57D30T0 received twin-turbos where the N57D30T0 used a single turbo. It is notable that this is a diesel engine, however. I couldn't find a petrol version where the turbo configuration changed.
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      08-14-2015, 11:56 AM   #90
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I find these options lackluster and disappointing....just a repackage of the same crap.
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      08-14-2015, 12:23 PM   #91
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I meant Bad as in awful... not Bad as in badass...
I know, I was referring to all of the owner's who experienced rod bearing failures on their S65's.
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      08-14-2015, 12:36 PM   #92
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I know, I was referring to all of the owner's who experienced rod bearing failures on their S65's.
Ah.. a tender subject for those that have had a failure I suppose.. but yet many love that motor.

The oil pump issues and associated recall is a hallmark of the S54... but it sure doesn't seem to stop it from being revered as one of the best
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      08-14-2015, 12:39 PM   #93
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Ah.. a tender subject for those that have had a failure I suppose.. but yet many love that motor.

The oil pump issues and associated recall is a hallmark of the S54... but it sure doesn't seem to stop it from being revered as one of the best
Yeah, I don't disagree. I'm sure it is well loved, even with the issues that have been experienced.
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      08-14-2015, 04:19 PM   #94
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Call me crazy but if they put a straight 6 engine with 350+hp I would take it gladly
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      08-14-2015, 04:32 PM   #95
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Awesome, thanks. Exactly what I wanted to hear.
Same thing with the 20s on my CS, much much better than what was on the 235 and totally livable - you are not going to be sorry to get this car my friend.
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      08-14-2015, 06:29 PM   #96
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Now now..
It's at least a good bit of information, and it all depends on what you define as starting production. They have been producing a couple of M2's each month starting from Feb this year. The numbers will start to ramp up in November, from Jan '16 there will be a couple of hundred M2's rolling off the line each month.
Whatever you say.
I'm frankly surprised the Mods put your thread on a sticky saying M2 production starts in February. At the same time the Mods put a sticky right below yours saying M2 production starts in November.
To me, that looks silly. I'm surprised it was allowed.
Then again, maybe I'm missing something.
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Call me crazy but if they put a straight 6 engine with 350+hp I would take it gladly
Well, great news, because that's exactly what it's getting
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Will it get the auto rev matching option with the manual gearbox? And what about the M3 style carbon fibre struttbrace in the engine bay, will it have one?
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      08-15-2015, 09:07 AM   #99
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Will it get the auto rev matching option with the manual gearbox? And what about the M3 style carbon fibre struttbrace in the engine bay, will it have one?
AFAIK there is no info on these topics yet, but both are a possibility.
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      08-15-2015, 11:09 AM   #100
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Thought production was starting November 2015?

And anyone have info on that transmission on how it compares to the Mdct?
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      08-15-2015, 12:25 PM   #101
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I hope im reading this wrong and HUD will be an option..
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      08-15-2015, 12:48 PM   #102
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I hope im reading this wrong and HUD will be an option..
There is no HUD option on the 2er.
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      08-15-2015, 12:58 PM   #103
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Tell me which M motors are bad ?
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      08-15-2015, 01:17 PM   #104
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Hello everybody, will be a xdrive option for the M2 ? I hooe so...
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      08-15-2015, 01:18 PM   #105
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Hello everybody, will be a xdrive option for the M2 ? I hooe so...
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      08-15-2015, 04:20 PM   #106
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Likely will only add the Harmon Kardon Stereo option to my bare bone model. Does anyone have experience with this unit? Half a year ago I put a priceless CD into a 2006 M5 at the dealership as it was in the repair bay. Sound quality was easily worth a 1000 dollars.

I spoke with a guy at a car accessory shop yesterday as I was looking into a $200 "bass bazooka". It could be a travesty in some ways to order the M2 with the stock stereo and then subsequently upgrading at the car audio shop. Essentially, a perfectly good sound system could end up collecting dust or buried in the landfill.
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Likely will only add the Harmon Kardon Stereo option to my bare bone model. Does anyone have experience with this unit? Half a year ago I put a priceless CD into a 2006 M5 at the dealership as it was in the repair bay. Sound quality was easily worth a 1000 dollars.

I spoke with a guy at a car accessory shop yesterday as I was looking into a $200 "bass bazooka". It could be a travesty in some ways to order the M2 with the stock stereo and then subsequently upgrading at the car audio shop. Essentially, a perfectly good sound system could end up collecting dust or buried in the landfill.
Good audio in a car is mostly based on positioning of the speakers and the type of hardware used. The normal Hifi system doesn't have the high positioned tweeters (correct me if I am wrong), which makes a huge difference. Also HK will have a better crossover installed, making sure the speakers have better audio steering.

So all in all you can upgrade your audio system with more speakers but then you are going to position similar type speakers in the higher positions in the doors and maybe add some additional gear in the trunk.

If you really want the best speakers and best audio go to a good aftermarket specialist and let him build-in something decent costing you decent cash. You do not want to spend so much, just go for HK. It is decent enough and saves you the hassle. It just gives that extra little bit of high and mid level mix to the audio you need.

And a bass bazooka belongs in the back of 15 year old 320d with a fake M body kit, imitation M badges and Asian replica M wheels, not in a brand new M2

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And a bass bazooka belongs in the back of 15 year old 320d with a fake M body kit, imitation M badges and Asian replica M wheels, not in a brand new M2

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Actually, it is a reminder of as a 16 year old your buddy with a Bazooka in the back of his turbocharged Daytona.

So went to a smaller BMW dealership requesting to check out a HK optioned vehicle on the lot today. It was an X5, and maybe it was just me; it wasn't very good. Maybe should have let the system warm up more?

An hour later tried to park in style at the local car audio shop. It was closed on Sunday.
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Actually, it is a reminder of as a 16 year old your buddy with a Bazooka in the back of his turbocharged Daytona.

So went to a smaller BMW dealership requesting to check out a HK optioned vehicle on the lot today. It was an X5, and maybe it was just me; it wasn't very good. Maybe should have let the system warm up more?

An hour later tried to park in style at the local car audio shop. It was closed on Sunday.
Completely different systems with different number of speakers. Most agree that the HK is ok at best, but probably not worth it.

There are plenty of threads dedicated to that on the 2er forums.
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i don't understand why people are so defensive of the n55.

an m car should have an engine that can hold up to repeated track abuse. the n55 has major cooling issues and it does not hold up to hard driving. I have experienced this many times.

I don't know what bmw is doing to upgrade the n55 for the m2, but based on past experience, i definitely wouldnt want one in a track car.
??? My 135is N55 has never had a problem at the track. Never been in limp mode including in 90+ degree humid days. 30 minute sessions times 7 per day. Maybe its the auxiliary radiator that came with the 'is'. I wish I could say the same of the brakes and the tires. I ended up going to a BBK kit - problem solved. 245/35 MPSS is the largest I can fit and they are literally melting from the abuse. I wish I could get an RE11 in that size.

Back on topic. No issues for me on an N55 based M2. I'm first on the list at my local dealer with $1K down.
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