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      12-03-2019, 01:48 PM   #23
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I had doctor friend in my PCA club 20 years ago that put his new 911TT into a wall on his first track event. I think his car had less than 800 miles on it. It was a simple, car got sideways from lifting off the throttle in a curve and the rear end swung around. Once you feel a 911 rear end come around its usually too late.
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      12-03-2019, 02:35 PM   #24
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God those spectators are annoying as fuck

Imagine crashing your car and having a flock of idiots surround you, mock you and film you
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God those spectators are annoying as fuck

Imagine crashing your car and having a flock of idiots surround you, mock you and film you
That's likely the reason the kumquat behind the wheel was doing a burnout in the first place. It's why police and staff don't like spectators gathering outside of C&C (or other car meets) because they antagonize this.
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Reminds me of M4 leaving Cars and Coffee fail:
https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1075458

(I will admit to enjoying watching all the Cars and Coffee fail videos).
The part with the "my PSI was low so he inflated the tyres" cracks me up every time. Obvs. cold tyres and cold asphalt is slippery, how is that a suprise to anyone with so much experience as he claims to have.

Ego to big I guess.
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Did this happen because he turned off traction control? I know that it's mostly the driver, but could this still happen with all the nannies on?
Not an expert but at the speeds he was moving at I think if he had just hit the brakes he would have avoided hitting anything. Perhaps the smoke obscured what was happening. Also it didn't appear he counter steered at all.
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That's likely the reason the kumquat behind the wheel was doing a burnout in the first place. It's why police and staff don't like spectators gathering outside of C&C (or other car meets) because they antagonize this.
As much as the driver is an idiot, it can happen to anyone feeling a bit too confident on a given day

Maybe it's just me but if no one got hurt except the car, I'd feel bad for the guy. The guys filming clearly gained a lot of joy out of someone else's misfortune, petty and annoying vibes

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As much as the driver is an idiot, it can happen to anyone feeling a bit too confident on a given day

Maybe it's just me but if no one got hurt except the car, I'd feel bad for the guy. The guys filming gain clearly gained a lot of joy out of someone else's misfortune, petty and annoying vibes
If he had left TC on, he wouldn't have lost control. I don't quite get the obsession with trying to show off and roasting an expensive set of tires. My squared set of 305/30s on my other car get roasted quite often, but that entire set cost the same as ONE rear MPSS for the M2C...
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Did this happen because he turned off traction control? I know that it's mostly the driver, but could this still happen with all the nannies on?
All nannies off. With even MDM on the engine power is cut/brake assist eventually. This was too much wheelspin galore.

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Reminds me of M4 leaving Cars and Coffee fail:
https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1075458

(I will admit to enjoying watching all the Cars and Coffee fail videos).
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God so much driver fail.

Ways he could've prevented this:

1. Any amount of countersteer. He didn't appear to throw any lock at the car whatsoever. Even clumsy/late countersteering would've probably prevented this at such low speeds.

2. Panic braking. Usually a bad idea when you're going sideways, but again....such low speeds, the car would've recovered.

3. MDM mode. Admittedly, i'm not 100 percent sure on this one, but i've spun up the rear tires enough to bounce off the limiter with MDM on a couple of times, it lets you get A LOT of wheelspin, but then kicks in the stability control when you lift. He lifted with plenty of time left, I bet MDM would've saved him.

4. Just left the TCS on and not done a burnout. You know. Drive like a normal person and save the fun stuff for when there's nobody around and you're in a safe spot.

I feel bad for him, but man. Make better decisions. I'd encourage anyone who's ever had the urge to fuck around like this to take their car to an empty parking lot and practice their donuts for at least a little while. Preferably when its raining so you don't have to buy new tires. Establish some counter-steering muscle memory, it'll never leave you and will likely save your ass at some point in your life.
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God those spectators are annoying as fuck

Imagine crashing your car and having a flock of idiots surround you, mock you and film you
I was thinking this too. While, I can't say I too wouldn't have been very interested in checking out the damage, and may very well have been guilty of sending a snap of it - I can't imagine how that driver felt after realizing 1) what he just did, and 2) the crowd swarming he and the destroyed car.
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As much as the driver is an idiot, it can happen to anyone feeling a bit too confident on a given day

Maybe it's just me but if no one got hurt except the car, I'd feel bad for the guy. The guys filming clearly gained a lot of joy out of someone else's misfortune, petty and annoying vibes
That's just a bad judgement situation all the way around. The story could have been a lot different if he'd hit a bystander's kid.
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God so much driver fail.
I feel bad for him, but man. Make better decisions. I'd encourage anyone who's ever had the urge to fuck around like this to take their car to an empty parking lot and practice their donuts for at least a little while. Preferably when its raining so you don't have to buy new tires. Establish some counter-steering muscle memory, it'll never leave you and will likely save your ass at some point in your life.
This x 100. An empty parking lot is a wonderful resource and a Car Control Clinic is even better.

My wife learned to drive a stick and do donuts at 13 when her dad would take her to the library parking lot on Sunday evenings in a hilariously modded Karmann Ghia. Took her mom a long time to catch on that the library is closed Sunday evenings :
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God so much driver fail.
I feel bad for him, but man. Make better decisions. I'd encourage anyone who's ever had the urge to fuck around like this to take their car to an empty parking lot and practice their donuts for at least a little while. Preferably when its raining so you don't have to buy new tires. Establish some counter-steering muscle memory, it'll never leave you and will likely save your ass at some point in your life.
This x 100. An empty parking lot is a wonderful resource and a Car Control Clinic is even better.

My wife learned to drive a stick and do donuts at 13 when her dad would take her to the library parking lot on Sunday evenings in a hilariously modded Karmann Ghia. Took her mom a long time to catch on that the library is closed Sunday evenings :
Pretty sure that's illegal in many states..
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Pretty sure that's illegal in many states..
For sure, just a million times safer to have two people in one car on a deserted parking lot vs 100+ people in the middle of a public street doing burnouts.
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