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Also around here it's ridiculous how many I see. It's like a joke. I'll be stopped at an intersection and count 3 or more Tesla's. |
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07-04-2019, 09:28 AM | #25 |
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Not a good comparison IMO.
Yes, everybody knows, electric will kick ass off the line over an ICE, might even win in a 1/2 mile drag. But thrown in curves and laps, as other people have pointed out unless you add pricey mods, it probably won't win. Or be as fun to drive. If nothing else when everybody else is headed to the bar at the end of the day, electric still has to sit and wait a couple hours. More power to people who like the Tesla. I've seriously thought about electric for a commuter. But it's meant to be point A-B transportation, nothing more. Will never be more than a niche enthusiast car. |
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I've got a buddy with a Model 3 Performance. This car is a true game changer. I would have never even thought about purchasing a EV, I work for a utility and drive them constantly. However with the Model 3 P, the driving experience actually is that, an experience. They did a great job in that regard. I can't get over the looks (exterior looks like a bean, interior looks just too plain), but the driving experience is there. I suggest taking one for a spin.
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I'm just saying - it's sort of a one trick pony.
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I dont want to come off like a Model 3 fanboy, but calling a car a one trick pony that can 1) drive itself, 2) whip our M2s in a drag race, 3) corner at .9gs with basic all season tires, and 4) have a range of 310 miles is kind of missing the point.
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Are you sure you’re in the right place? Most enthusiasts care about the driving aspect that these cars deliver... My F80 can go 310 miles on a tank...except when I “plug” it in more more range, it takes about 5 minutes to be ready for another 310 miles...like I said above, the electric car thing might take off, but the tech is going to have to match or exceed the ICE experience that most people expect out of their cars.
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Well in the 10 minutes it takes for the Tesla’s batteries to heat up for “Ludicrous Mode”, the M would have already cooled off and been back on the track, so....
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'Might' take off? LOL... Lastly, everbody's forgetting what the title of this thread is.
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Like I said, until there’s 1) faster charging, like way faster, 2) a nationwide network of charging options so you can drive farther than 200-300 miles, and 3) empirical data that ownership costs are economically equivalent to an ICE vehicle, you’re not going to see widespread adoption, at least in the US.
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I still may get one of the new C8s when theyve had a year or two under their belts, but Ive come to appreciate the the tech behind the whole Tesla thing.
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That's my point - overall ownership costs still remain higher...especially if the batteries need to be replaced. Just my $.02... And I live in Chicago - no charging stations by me...maybe it's better on the coasts...but there's a lot of space in the middle of the country where this shit won't fly, for a long time.
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https://www.tesla.com/supercharger Seems like several of them in Chicago, and these are only Tesla's own. I wouldn't buy one personally just yet, and maybe they don't work if you live in Montana, but they are already enough for most of the population. |
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I see few Teslas around here - maybe I’m not in the techy part of the area...who knows.
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https://www.consumerreports.org/car-...bility-issues/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/techn...=.46c635ff6591 https://insideevs.com/news/337959/ed...ons-of-issues/
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So many assumptions about Tesla here. Let's clear some of them up. I'll be as honest as possible with my experience and that of others' I know.
I was a BMW M guy for decades prior to buying my Model 3 LR AWD (Long Range, Dual Motor AWD). Quote:
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On a serious note, I thought I'd miss the sound and on rare occasion I do, but in general, don't miss it. Everything is nice and quiet so I can enjoy my music. It's not at all disruptive to pass people on the streets like they're standing still, without any drama. I actually love the stealthiness now. Quote:
So far, the furthest I've had to drive was ~110-miles each way for business and my car handled that no problem. This wouldn't be my first choice for a cross-country trip, but for a typical use-case it's perfect. My car charges while I'm at work or in my garage, while I'm asleep. I typically charge it once or twice per week. In retrospect, definitely way more convenient than going to fuel up at the gas station. Quote:
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If you're talking about a drag-strip scenario, ICE have similar heating issues. But again, I doubt many people here bought their cars to take to the drag strip - there are better cars for that. Quote:
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The aforementioned business trip that I took was around 220-miles round trip, but actually used up about 250-indicated-miles. Keep in mind, I was driving my usual - fast acceleration, ~75-85mph on the highway, etc. I'm not a hyper-miler and actually drive this car more aggressively because it's so easy to do so without drama. But, I digress... This past weekend, we went boating and were going to take my wife's car so I didn't charge mine. Last minute we decided to take my car (love autopilot on long highway stretches). Don't recall the last time I charged, but I had a small buffer, so what the hell... I'll spare you the long drawn out story, but bottom line is this: I drove it with normal acceleration (not heavy as usual) and had autopilot at around 65-70mph on the highway in the right lane. However, it should be noted I had 5-people + supplies and A/C blasting. Driving "normally," my range was actually better than advertised. I used up ~55-60 miles indicated to drive 65 actual miles according to navigation. So if you have to, you can definitely get good fuel economy and range out of the car, but that's just not the way I drive - mainly because I don't have to Quote:
I don't pay for power at work, but I do at home. To give you an idea, one day I actually did the math. I drove ~115-120-miles and made a note of how many kW I used up. I then calculated that at my (renewable) electric rate, that day of driving cost me about ~$2.50-$2.75 in electricity. Not bad. Quote:
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Regarding charging stations, if you rely on those to charge (i.e. you can't charge at home), then I wouldn't recommend an EV for you. Middle of the country has a much lower population density and I agree this may not be the right car there either, except where population is concentrated in/around big cities. Which is believe it or not, where most of the people live by volume. Either way, that's not our problem. I don't choose my car based on its proliferation throughout rural-America. I'm sure there aren't many BMW M2's there either Quote:
Keep in mind that current stats are on legacy battery packs and legacy chemistry. Tesla has since (2018 for 3rd generation) updated their chemistry, monitoring, charging computers, etc. If you're really interested in Tesla batteries, I recommend watching the following: Part 1: Part 2: Quote:
Let's look at the CR data. They don't recommend it based on trim/paint info, especially based on other and older models. Things that are fixed after the car is purchased. My car had paint chips on it during transport - as do other cars. I brought it the same body shop that painted my friends' brand new BMW M2 (they're a Tesla certified shop) and no problems. I can assure you nothing is falling off. Tesla works a little differently than standard manufacturers... there's not a model-year-run, they keep improving with each and every vehicle they make. There have been a number of revisions to the Model 3, yet they aren't offered as different years. Some of the mechanical changes off the top of my head are: updated (v2) suspension, softer rear bench, increased current out of the USB ports. Many of the revisions have also come as software updates. Absolutely everything on the car is electronic, so everything is controlled by computers and in turn OTA updates. This is both good and bad. The good: when Consumer Reports didn't recommend the Model 3 based on long emergency braking distances, Tesla issued an update and improved mechanical braking (in favor or trying to extract as much energy out of regenerative braking as possible). The UI keeps getting better, I keep getting features I didn't have before, most recently they've updated their PWM firmware to give all cars 5% extra power. The bad is that the experience changes. In theory for the better, but sometimes the features are more BETA than production. However, Tesla rolls them out, collects information/gets feedback and improves on them. It's more of an iterative/agile SDLC model, it's completely unlike normal car production. The car is constantly updated and improved. Again, this can be both good and bad. Sorry for such a long first post... but hopefully it helps settle a few issues. I'm obviously very passionate about my car and was considering the BMW M2, BMW M240i, BMW 3-Series, Alfa Romeo Giulia Ti and Porsche Cayman S prior to buying my Model 3. All-in-all I would buy it again over the competition - especially after driving some of those cars post-Tesla-ownership. It's a paradigm shift that's hard to explain. Besides a few annoying quirks, I love the car... Thanks for reading if you've made it this far
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