[nioh_lbbm2]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

I’ll believe it when I see it.

Originally Posted by Daleb

ok.

https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5f86...729b488dc3d3ee

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

There is no way the stock turbo is hitting 20PSI at 6500rpm.

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

To think such magic and sorcery is possible.

lol

person 1 : I dont believe your claim
person 2 : valid. here's some data as proof
person 3 : I still don't believe you. Fake news!

[AmuroRay]

Uhh, I definitely didn't say that.

[Fabre80]

Originally Posted by Dec540

Would definitely be fine with the stock turbo. If you're upgrading the turbo then it would likely depend on what you're upgrading to.

So basically get the stage 2 and call it a day, lol. I will be going Hybrid in a few months but I will be happy with around 500-550hp on the crank really. Is that number achievable with stock turbo?

[ZM2]

Originally Posted by Fabre80

So basically get the stage 2 and call it a day, lol. I will be going Hybrid in a few months but I will be happy with around 500-550hp on the crank really. Is that number achievable with stock turbo?

Definitely not. Add HPFP and this map to get the most you’ll see out of the stock turbo. Add a PS2 or other large turbo with this map to get those kinds of numbers.

[3t3p]

Yeh I don't get it. Opening USP is get the most from stock turbo.

Then goes on to say actually go pure stage two turbo and run rocket fuel.

[ZM2]

Originally Posted by 3t3p

Yeh I don't get it. Opening USP is get the most from stock turbo.

Then goes on to say actually go pure stage two turbo and run rocket fuel.

If you're not adding an HPFP or going to run above 93 octane, this map isn't for you.

If you want more power than Stg 2 93 or Stg 2 E30 and add an HPFP, you'll get a good jump in power with Stg 2+ E30.

I gained 50whp with it vs Stg 2 E30 and the stock HPFP, all other FBO hardware was the same.

[Anthony1s]

Originally Posted by ZM2

If you're not adding an HPFP or going to run above 93 octane, this map isn't for you.

If you want more power than Stg 2 93 or Stg 2 E30 and add an HPFP, you'll get a good jump in power with Stg 2+ E30.

I gained 50whp with it vs Stg 2 E30 and the stock HPFP, all other FBO hardware was the same.

I think his criticism is the same as mine and you misunderstood his comment. That the OP starts out talking about more power for the stock turbo + upgraded HPFP, but uses evidence and stats supporting upgraded turbos + upgraded fuel pumps.

It's a bit confusing and not the best way to have presented the new map.

Though, after asking my questions, I understand the new map better myself. It does though still mean (to me) there is more room left in the PS2 turbo.

[ZM2]

Nope, I’ve understood everything in the thread. Just giving direct answers to anyone that’s not clear about the new OTS.

Sure, you can prob get a couple more PSI out of the PS2, but you’re going to have to spend cash on a custom tune that’s just going to eat into safety margins to produce another 10-20hp?

[Anthony1s]

Originally Posted by ZM2

Nope, I’ve understood everything in the thread. Just giving direct answers to anyone that’s not clear about the new OTS.

Sure, you can prob get a couple more PSI out of the PS2, but you’re going to have to spend cash on a custom tune that’s just going to eat into safety margins to produce another 10-20hp?

It really does not seem like you understand what people are saying in this thread at all. It seem like you understand the actual tune and it's purpose, not people's confusion by it.

[ZM2]

Originally Posted by Anthony1s

It really does not seem like you understand what people are saying in this thread at all. It seem like you understand the actual tune and it's purpose, not people's confusion by it.

Alright, let’s do a Q&A session. Everyone, please post what questions you have.

Myself, one of the other guys that beta’ed the tune, or Halim will provide whatever info you need.

[-Eidos]

Originally Posted by ZM2

Alright, let’s do a Q&A session. Everyone, please post what questions you have.

Myself, one of the other guys that beta’ed the tune, or Halim will provide whatever info you need.

How can the tune be within "safety margins" for the stock turbo AND be within "safety margins" for the PS2 AND not have more safe overhead for the PS2?

How is "safety margin" being defined here?

[ZM2]

Originally Posted by -Eidos

How can the tune be within "safety margins" for the stock turbo AND be within "safety margins" for the PS2 AND not have more safe overhead for the PS2?

How is "safety margin" being defined here?

Sure, throw an easy one at me!

Other guys will be able to answer this better, but similar to what Daleb said, it’s targeting what was found to be a smooth, reliable, power level with the stock turbo and ethanol via a lot of logs from a lot of different cars (~20psi).

When applied to the PS2 it makes more power and has a little more headroom leftover, as I believe there are a decent number of guys going more than 20psi on the PS2.

The Emix helps keep things a little cooler, too, so relatively safe and a lot less on the edge of creating octane/timing issues vs a pumped up 93 map.

[-Eidos]

Originally Posted by ZM2

Sure, throw an easy one at me!

Other guys will be able to answer this better, but similar to what Daleb said, it’s targeting what was found to be a smooth, reliable, power level with the stock turbo and ethanol via a lot of logs from a lot of different cars (~20psi).

When applied to the PS2 it makes more power and has a little more headroom leftover.

The Emix helps keep things a little cooler, too, so relatively safe and a lot less on the edge of creating octane/timing issues vs a pumped up 93 map.

Awesome.

Does the team have any map over map comparisons on stock turbo on the dyno? The delta is clear on the first post because the Stage 2 E30 map was clearly not taking advantage of the bigger PS2 turbo's headroom, but what about stock turbo?

[Dec540]

Originally Posted by -Eidos

Awesome.

Does the team have any map over map comparisons on stock turbo on the dyno? The delta is clear on the first post because the Stage 2 E30 map was clearly not taking advantage of the bigger PS2 turbo's headroom, but what about stock turbo?

From my logs Stage 2 E30 was targeting 16.5 PSI. Stage 2+ E30 (for upgraded HPFPs) targets 20.1 PSI. Having driven both there's definitely a noticeable difference between the two.

In regards to how can you havethe same boost target for stock turbos vs PS2 and get more power / not leave too much power on the table with the PS2. The stock turbo dies at higher RPMs, although the map is targeting 20psi, I dip to low 18's with WGDC at 90%+ at high RPMs in 3rd gear. I'd assume the PS2s would be able to maintain 20psi throughout and therefore provide more power. I would be keen to see the WGDC to see what's potentially left on the table - but it's a free tune vs paying another $1k for a custom tune.

I suspect temps could also come into this. A stock turbo fully maxxed and struggling to maintain 18psi vs a PS2 cruising and maintaining 2psi more must generate less temp, which could result in a greater power delta.

[ZM2]

And under certain conditions the stock turbo will keep boost target to redline, just not all the time.

In all the testing with my Dinan turbo, I was always able to keep boost target to redline no matter what. We tried above 20psi and it would hold, but the power wasn’t clean with the little Dinan.

I haven’t seen stock turbo dyno plots, but my Dinan is likely only giving me peak 5-10hp more than the stock turbo. I’m just able to keep that level higher to redline than the stock turbo.

For me, I did almost 100whp over stock and 50whp over Stg 2 E30. I need to get some final dyno plots and will be able to post up in a few weeks.

[Daleb]

Originally Posted by Daleb

https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5f86...729b488dc3d3ee

Not sure on the other guys mods that were in the test Group but you can see my car on oem turbo does 20 psi to redline.

Mods are decat, ftp chargepipes, pure inlet v2, VRSF 5”HD, panel filter, Dorch stage 1, stock exhaust and stock DV.

Turbo inlet choice could make a difference to how the car maintains boost in the upper rpms.

[Dec540]

Originally Posted by Daleb

Not sure on the other guys mods that were in the test Group but you can see my car on oem turbo does 20 psi to redline.

Mods are decat, ftp chargepipes, pure inlet v2, VRSF 5”HD, panel filter, Dorch stage 1, stock exhaust and stock DV.

Turbo inlet choice could make a difference to how the car maintains boost in the upper rpms.

Nice! You do have a dip towards the top of 3rd. Mine runs out of puff a lot more in 3rd than 4th & 5th.

I also note that your map was targetting 20.8psi so perhaps the final map had some more boost than the 20.1psi beta map I was using. Your IAT was also 20F lower than mine so presumably ambient was much lower in your log too. I'm also in a relatively humid climate which could also impact things.

My mods are:
- Wagner Evo II FMIC
- iPE high flow downpipe
- iPE titanium from the downpipe back
- Eventuri intake
- Dorch Stage 2 HPFP
- VR11 Diverter Valve
- Upgraded charge pipe

Still running the stock inlet valve but will do some more research into this.

Here's a log if you're interested https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5f4e...729b1274224f7a

[3t3p]

It's right here;

The limiting point on cars with the N55-EWG and N55-M2 engine is that they run out of fuel pressure before the turbo runs out of steam.

This INFERS rightly or wrongly that if a user were to ONLY upgrade their HPFP they could in fact get more out of their stock turbo , stock gas, stock or FBO components.

[ZM2]

Originally Posted by 3t3p

It's right here;

The limiting point on cars with the N55-EWG and N55-M2 engine is that they run out of fuel pressure before the turbo runs out of steam.

This INFERS rightly or wrongly that if a user were to ONLY upgrade their HPFP they could in fact get more out of their stock turbo , stock gas, stock or FBO components.

That is “rightly” correct, if you add some ethanol.

In that scenario you would pick up ~25-30whp over the other Stg 2 OTS maps, along with a lot more punch throughout the range, and this map is so much more fun to drive around town.

If you decide to add a larger turbo later, you’d be able to pick up another ~75whp using the same map.

It’s an OTS way to get us all some great power that used to require expensive custom tuning.

[Daleb]

Originally Posted by Dec540

Nice! You do have a dip towards the top of 3rd. Mine runs out of puff a lot more in 3rd than 4th & 5th.

I also note that your map was targetting 20.8psi so perhaps the final map had some more boost than the 20.1psi beta map I was using. Your IAT was also 20F lower than mine so presumably ambient was much lower in your log too. I'm also in a relatively humid climate which could also impact things.

My mods are:
- Wagner Evo II FMIC
- iPE high flow downpipe
- iPE titanium from the downpipe back
- Eventuri intake
- Dorch Stage 2 HPFP
- VR11 Diverter Valve
- Upgraded charge pipe

Still running the stock inlet valve but will do some more research into this.

Here's a log if you're interested https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5f4e...729b1274224f7a

I'd definitely add a turbo inlet man, even on stock map its been shown to help hold on to power much better towards redline. On your custom map it would help even more!

The boost in 3rd tracks nicely and never really deviates more than 0.5-0.8 psi but like you say in the higher load gears like 4th and 5th its bang on. I'm still on the oem diverter valve, I've heard the vr11 you run has better boost control while reducing wgdc. It's something I'll add soon.

The OTS has actually had another small update and is now the same map as my 7.9 100-200 run.

[Anthony1s]

Originally Posted by ZM2

That is “rightly” correct, if you add some ethanol.

In that scenario you would pick up ~25-30whp over the other Stg 2 OTS maps, along with a lot more punch throughout the range, and this map is so much more fun to drive around town.

If you decide to add a larger turbo later, you’d be able to pick up another ~75whp using the same map.

It’s an OTS way to get us all some great power that used to require expensive custom tuning.

Isn't it more than a fuel pump though? It's swapping fuels too.

[ZM2]

Originally Posted by Anthony1s

Isn't it more than a fuel pump though? It's swapping fuels too.

Yeah, I mentioned that.

There’s plenty of E85 stations where I live and travel, so it’s pretty easy to pull up and put half 93/half E85 in the tank.

Halim is also working on Stg 2+ 93 & Race Gas maps, but there’s not much more to get with the stock turbo on 93 octane (especially in the summer), so you pretty much need a larger turbo to push more with 93.

With this map I dyno’ed 15whp less than a PureBoost custom tuned PS2 M2 on 93, same dyno same day.

E85 is a lot cheaper than Race Gas and I’m not a fan of octane booster, so this map is the path I took to get more power.