[DriverDaily]

Originally Posted by msdss

they fit perfect. I love the way move look. but I guess that's a matter of opinion.

I also love the way they look. I believe DetailersDomain tried these first. This is his car.




It looks like the wheels poke slightly in the front, even though his car was slammed in this picture.

This is his thread about his OG M2 (which has slightly more clearance than the M2C).

• Post #25: Factory suspension with 255/35/19 front and 275/35/19 rear the car rubs.
• Post #39: With Factory tire sizes, on factory suspension, the car rubs when it is loaded.

BBS themselves call this "tuner" fitment, which is to say: the wheels might fit, but you may need to add neg camber, stretch the factory tires or use shorter ones that throw off the speedo, and avoid putting too many people or things in the car. Finally there's the Catch-22 that it will look like a 4x4 until lowered, but lowering it increases the chance of rubbing.

So, BBS FI-R definitely don't "fit perfect."

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by msdss

they fit perfect. I love the way move look. but I guess that's a matter of opinion.

They fit fine for stock tire sizes, but a lot of guys want a bit more rubber under the car, so they don't fit so well in that regard. They weren't designed for the M2, they were designed for the M3, and BBS made no effort to change them for the M2.

19 x 9.5 +31 & 19 x 10.5 +45 is perfect fitment for most.

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

They fit fine for stock tire sizes, but a lot of guys want a bit more rubber under the car, so they don't fit so well in that regard. They weren't designed for the M2, they were designed for the M3, and BBS made no effort to change them for the M2.

19 x 9.5 +31 & 19 x 10.5 +45 is perfect fitment for most.

The stock size will fit but they'll be really stretched on 9.5 and 10.5 wheels. The stock tires are already stretched enough on the stock wheels.

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

The stock size will fit but they'll be really stretched on 9.5 and 10.5 wheels. The stock tires are already stretched enough on the stock wheels.

I wouldn't say really stretched, just stretched a bit more than factory. You're only talking about .25" on each side, so 6mm a side. That's small enough to not make that much difference, and can easily be taken up with choosing different tires (ones that run wider).

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of the FI-R fitment on stock tires, I'm just saying it's not terrible.

It's 265/30 / 285/30 on 9.5 / 10.5 all the way for me, but I'm choosing Indy's, not Michelin's.

[///AVM]

Appears the BBS wheels are TOO expensive for the market. . . might be a really good time to get a deal?

///AVM

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Appears the BBS wheels are TOO expensive for the market. . . might be a really good time to get a deal?

///AVM

Nah, just a restructuring I'm reading. The whole reason they are worth so much is that they don't let people get deals.

Although, if you know who to talk to you can get a set of FI-R's for $7K, not the retail of $8400.

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

Nah, just a restructuring I'm reading. The whole reason they are worth so much is that they don't let people get deals.

Although, if you know who to talk to you can get a set of FI-R's for $7K, not the retail of $8400.

Visual

You know I'm not a businessman. . . so, in Germany, is that how a company restructures? They have government (tax payer) bail them out and then they just continue on with business?

///AVM

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Visual

You know I'm not a businessman. . . so, in Germany, is that how a company restructures? They have government (tax payer) bail them out and then they just continue on with business?

///AVM

No clue brother, I just know they won't be dropping their prices anytime soon, it's part of gives BBS that "holier than thou" thing that makes people buy their merch.

I've done photography deals with many big companies, but BBS won't even blink their eyes at that stuff. Maybe they should start...

[mercury26]

BBS F-R's call the way. My set is sitting here waiting for the car to get built! I also have the M-Performance HAS suspension waiting.

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by mercury26

BBS F-R's call the way. My set is sitting here waiting for the car to get built! I also have the M-Performance HAS suspension waiting.

Forgive me for saying so, but you bought FI-R's and HAS? Bro, please, do your car justice, KW V3 or don't bother, those springs are going to kill your stock suspension, and ride.

[mercury26]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

Forgive me for saying so, but you bought FI-R's and HAS? Bro, please, do your car justice, KW V3 or don't bother, those springs are going to kill your stock suspension, and ride.

M2C coil-over suspension kit was developed by KW. Not much stock is left, it replaces shocks and struts (along with springs).

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by mercury26

M2C coil-over suspension kit was developed by KW. Not much stock is left, it replaces shocks and struts (along with springs).

Not as good as KW V3, not as adjustable.

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

Not as good as KW V3, not as adjustable.

Visual

Just out of curiosity, are the KW V3 and MP coil-overs the same price, or does the consumer pay a hefty markup for the BMW label on KW product?

///AVM

[mercury26]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

Not as good as KW V3, not as adjustable.

Not so sir, they have the same adjustability at the KW v3s. Not only can you adjust height, you can adjust rebound and compression on the BMW kit.

"BMW M Performance is offering a fully height adjustable coil-over suspension system with independent bump and rebound adjustments. With spring-rates that are approximately 40% stiffer than stock...."

[mercury26]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Visual

Just out of curiosity, are the KW V3 and MP coil-overs the same price, or does the consumer pay a hefty markup for the BMW label on KW product?

///AVM

$2,200 shipped from GetBMW with new install hardware (gaskets, bolts, nuts, etc). I do not know what KWs cost,

[AUSf22]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Visual

Just out of curiosity, are the KW V3 and MP coil-overs the same price, or does the consumer pay a hefty markup for the BMW label on KW product?

///AVM

They are very similar in price AVM but I think the MP kit is a hair more expensive at retail price.

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Visual

Just out of curiosity, are the KW V3 and MP coil-overs the same price, or does the consumer pay a hefty markup for the BMW label on KW product?

///AVM

KW V3 is more expensive.

Originally Posted by mercury26

Not so sir, they have the same adjustability at the KW v3s. Not only can you adjust height, you can adjust rebound and compression on the BMW kit.

"BMW M Performance is offering a fully height adjustable coil-over suspension system with independent bump and rebound adjustments. With spring-rates that are approximately 40% stiffer than stock...."

I hate to say you're wrong, but you're wrong. The KW V3 goes lower, especially in the back, which is a big reason why guys get the KW V3 instead of the MPC.

[ASAP]

guys, whats the best price anyone has seen on the 763M's online? The 19 inch version.

[mercury26]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

KW V3 is more expensive.




I hate to say you're wrong, but you're wrong. The KW V3 goes lower, especially in the back, which is a big reason why guys get the KW V3 instead of the MPC.

If that's the only difference, then that's a non-issue for me.

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by mercury26

If that's the only difference, then that's a non-issue for me.

I think there is one other difference, but I can't remember what it is.

[mercury26]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

I think there is one other difference, but I can't remember what it is.

Cool, I appreciate the info but I am good with my choice as it fits my needs. Now let's get back to talking wheels.

[BAN_M2C]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

The Fl-R wheels are very nice . . . as are those HRE R101 wheels.

If, as Poochie states, the Fl-R wheels cost $10K . . . well, that is where my appreciation ends. My suspicion is the HRE wheels are not far behind in cost?

Although I like the architecture of the 763m wheels, they universally look undersized to me. For that reason, not at all a fan.

I have personally taken an increased liking to the 788 wheels . . . I do not clean my wheels and think they look good 'matted-out' with break dust.

Finally, as far as cost-effective aftermarket offerings go, my favorites so far are the Apex wheels CoChris put on his LBB M2C . . . I think the black Apex equivalent would look fantastic on AW and HS but have not come across photos of said combination.

So, my vote, keep the 788s . . . or consider the Apex wheels.

///AVM

FI-R with the right contacts you can get close to 7k.

The APEX I love since I run EC7 on my 135i, but it was a no go when I saw the weight of the M2C specific fitment. I actually bought a set of 437M for track duty before considering EC7 because of the weight savings.