[MagnusT]

Always take a full printout from your alignment shop 😊

So you know they did everything right.

[kart driver]

Just an update.

The shop checked the toe and corrected their mistake yesterday.
As a result:
- the lap times were good again today
- the car felt balanced again, no oversteer as I experienced last time when the toe was not right


I also kept the pressure 2.2 BAR as per advise above and it looks like in combination with better negative camber due to camber plates the front tires are showing even wear.

[MagnusT]

Good to hear!!!

Get more camber :-)

And get a printout next time. I'm surprised what a sloppy shop not knowing what they are doing. Toe is a fine tune thing even more than the camber setting. IMO.


For track use, camber is like "crank it up" until you get a trackday car that is tramlining undriveable (and wears out the tires) on the street at 4+ degrees in the front :-D

Toe is fine tuning the cars reactions to suit your driving style and preferences. Both front and rear. A bit out in the front? Or just so slightly in? Minimize toe in at the rear to get a more rotateable (and a bit more nervous) car? And so on.

[kart driver]

Originally Posted by MagnusT

Good to hear!!!

Get more camber :-)

And get a printout next time. I'm surprised what a sloppy shop not knowing what they are doing. Toe is a fine tune thing even more than the camber setting. IMO.


For track use, camber is like "crank it up" until you get a trackday car that is tramlining undriveable (and wears out the tires) on the street at 4+ degrees in the front :-D

Toe is fine tuning the cars reactions to suit your driving style and preferences. Both front and rear. A bit out in the front? Or just so slightly in? Minimize toe in at the rear to get a more rotateable (and a bit more nervous) car? And so on.

Look, that is Ukraine. They have no clue when it comes to auto racing.
We have just one racetrack in the capital of the entire contry built many many years ago, and which is now in a terrible condition.

So no wonder the shop has no idea how to do the fine tuning of the car’s reactions.

[MagnusT]

Originally Posted by kart driver

Look, that is Ukraine. They have no clue when it comes to auto racing.
We have just one racetrack in the capital of the entire contry built many many years ago, and which is now in a terrible condition.

So no wonder the shop has no idea how to do the fine tuning of the car’s reactions.

Hehe, yeah, I understand. Here in Sweden most places don't know anything other than setting everything to stock settings. And when you ask for something outside these like more camber they get very confused and reluctant. But at the same time we DO have a number of places who have good knowledge and race themselves

What I meant was that toe is a lot about personal preference (and very sensitive to small changes) and adding camber is pretty coarse and mainly about more grip on track vs less usability on the street.

[kart driver]

Originally Posted by MagnusT

Always take a full printout from your alignment shop 😊

So you know they did everything right.

This is what they did for the first time when the balance became totally ruined.

[MagnusT]

Bit of a problem with the language

[Megator]

Originally Posted by kart driver

This is what they did for the first time when the balance became totally ruined.

Just want to point out that alignment shops make mistakes in measuring. I dont mean in setup but in how they apply the reflectors for measuring.

I had my alignment redone as the steering wheel was not straight after the 1st time. I swapped from my track wheels and tires to the road wheels and tires (OEM 788s).

The 1st time my front camber was wrong and out of spec (on a stock car with no camber plates), 2nd time front camber was in spec!

I put it down to the fat some what bulging track tires vs the stretched oem tires. I think the track tire pushed on the reflectors or didnt let them sit right leading to the error. They sat well enough on the OEM wheels that the scratched them

[Bewstd]

Have a track weekend in early october and the millway street are on backorder, guess i'm grabbing the track version or ground control

[kart driver]

Originally Posted by MagnusT

Bit of a problem with the language

That is all I have )))

[Bewstd]

they had the street plates in stock so I went with them

[echoshotz]

Anyone running camber plates on their M-performance coilovers? Trying to find out the max camber allowance with the bigger progressive springs. Don't care to add them if I can't get close to 3 degrees.

[2020M2Competition]

Originally Posted by echoshotz

Anyone running camber plates on their M-performance coilovers? Trying to find out the max camber allowance with the bigger progressive springs. Don't care to add them if I can't get close to 3 degrees.

You should be able to get close to -3 degrees

Most likely somewhere in the mid to high -2.X range

Also, the M Performance coilovers supposedly use linear springs

Lots of good info in this thread

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...ighlight=shock

[blitzyo]

I just got millway street on my mperf coilovers installed. There's no noises from it, but it does pass on a lot of tire resonance to the cabin at highway speed. I'm using a new set of oem paper gaskets on it.

My shop advised me I shouldn't run -3 up front for tire reasons, this is a daily car. I've got -2.4 front and -2 rear, stock toe settings.

[MagnusT]

What are "oem paper gaskets"?

[Caduceus]

Originally Posted by MagnusT

What are "oem paper gaskets"?

It's quite literally a piece of paper that sits between the front upper shock mount and the body of the car. Item 4 in the diagram at the link below.

https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/sho...diagId=31_1331

Being paper, it offers no sound or impact cushioning. I imagine the only reason it is there is to prevent paint sticking to the shock mount if/when it is removed for servicing or possibly to prevent galvanic corrosion between the dissimilar metals.

[MagnusT]

Ah, yeah seen that one come to think of it. Thanks

[M2RAW]

So which camber plates is more likely NOT gonna give you any noises lol tryna pair it with my bilstein b16

[David.m]

Originally Posted by M2RAW

So which camber plates is more likely NOT gonna give you any noises lol tryna pair it with my bilstein b16

I've had my Millway Street plates in for 50K km (with Ohlins R&T) and no noise still, do a lot of spirited country/mountain driving & around 24 track days in that (I change camber between -2 street & -3 track). Have the F80/M2C tops as I've fitted the F80 strut bracing on my LCI.