[KevinC]

This is kinda disturbing. Looked back at my 1200-mile service invoice today (I'm currently at about 6500 miles) and caught something I didn't catch at the time - there's no oil filter listed on the invoice. Is it possible that BMW is not providing a freaking oil filter at the "break-in" service to save a few bucks?? Anyone else seeing this too?

[Foggins]

Here is mine Kevin...it definitely has an oil filter on the ticket.

[inTgr8r]

Just had mine done today and filter was definitely listed.

[KevinC]

Dammit! Gonna email my SA now and find out wtf is up.

They DID however replace the windshield wipers for no reason whatsoever - the car was 2 weeks old, and I picked it up 2 days after arriving from the VPC. Blades were new and perfect.

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by KevinC

Dammit! Gonna email my SA now and find out wtf is up.

They DID however replace the windshield wipers for no reason whatsoever - the car was 2 weeks old, and I picked it up 2 days after arriving from the VPC. Blades were new and perfect.

One of the techs probably needed wipers for their own car You should have asked for the old ones.

[M Fifty]

At least they installed LSD-specific fluid in the differential...

[KevinC]

SA is an idiot. First he asks me to "bring it in, we'll look at it". Wut? I asked him if there's some way to visually confirm they changed the filter, tell me what they're going to "look at" and I'll look at it. Eventually he talks to the tech, who is no help. You'd THINK he could ask a simple question like "would you EVER do an oil change w/o doing the filter too, perhaps you just neglected to add it to the invoice?", but that apparently didn't happen. So I'm doing an interim change this week at 6500, will do the 10k service there again, then between official 10k-intervals, will continue to do a 5k change on my own, which is my normal regimen.

Maybe the mysterious wiper blade change was actually the filter, but wrong part number input by someone? Nobody knows, and nobody gives a crap. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, at least the oil was drained, and I'd think/hope that any further debris would continue to stay suspended/caught in the original filter.

[inTgr8r]

It's almost laughable how incompetent dealers can be sometime.
I suspect you may be right re the wiper part #

You could pull the filter out & inspect or just change it w/o doing the oil again.

[Anonymoose]

I think the folks here are correct. I bet the wiper part number is the oil filter

[M Fifty]

Originally Posted by Anonymoose

I think the folks here are correct. I bet the wiper part number is the oil filter

The pictures - helpfully - show the respective part numbers as being wildly dissimilar?

[///M TOWN]

They get the kit from the parts department

I highly doubt the filer was forgotten

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

They get the kit from the parts department

I highly doubt the filer was forgotten

I don't know about that, I've seen dealers so incompetent they put saf-xo into the ///M diff.


If I were op I'd call the dealer to check what the part number for the oil change entails. Because generally bmw warranty included services bill per item, hence why you see 6.5 besides the ll01 oil. You can't have 6.5 kits of anything.

So generally you'd see the oil and quantity of oil, the filter and quantity used, then the copper drain plug and quantity used.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by F87source

I don't know about that, I've seen dealers so incompetent they put saf-xo into the ///M diff.


If I were op I'd call the dealer to check what the part number for the oil change entails. Because generally bmw warranty included services bill per item, hence why you see 6.5 besides the ll01 oil. You can't have 6.5 kits of anything.

So generally you'd see the oil and quantity of oil, the filter and quantity used, then the copper drain plug and quantity used.

The kit they get from parts includes the filter new o ring and replacement washer for the drain plug

The M oil is also dispatched to them as it's not on their gun that they use on regular series cars

I agree though I'd be inquiring as well

[F87source]

Originally Posted by inTgr8r

It's almost laughable how incompetent dealers can be sometime.
I suspect you may be right re the wiper part #

You could pull the filter out & inspect or just change it w/o doing the oil again.

That part number for the wipers really are wipers. https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-...t/61612219147/

Could they have mixed it up, maybe but idk. I'd still get the oil filter serviced properly and have it on paper so warranty won't be an issue if needed.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

The kit they get from parts includes the filter new o ring and replacement washer for the drain plug

The M oil is also dispatched to them as it's not on their gun that they use on regular series cars

I agree though I'd be inquiring as well

That's not true at all, there is no such thing as ///M oil, at least not anymore. There used to be with the 0w40 m power oil (10w60 doesn't count because it's not applicable for us). But then bmw switched to shell, and now Castrol. But during that switch 0w40 was dumped for 0w30 ll01 Fe oil, to promote better fuel economy. And that's the oil they use in ///M cars and non ///M cars alike. It comes in massive barrels from shell and now Castrol. There's also 5w30 which is ll01, but again it comes in a barrel. So no, there is no such special oil they use for ///M and non ///M's, they're all the same now and come in their massive barrels.


In terms of oil filters, they use the off the shelf kits that comes with the washer and orings. So if it's not listed they likely didn't use one.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

The kit they get from parts includes the filter new o ring and replacement washer for the drain plug

The M oil is also dispatched to them as it's not on their gun that they use on regular series cars

I agree though I'd be inquiring as well

https://www.bmwpartspros.com/oem-par...11-83215a42d39

As you can see his p/n for oil leads right back to generic ll01fe 0w30 oil. Nothing special about it, and this oil comes in large 200L + drums from Castrol now, there are images on BITOG showing new shipments to dealers.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by F87source

https://www.bmwpartspros.com/oem-par...11-83215a42d39

As you can see his p/n for oil leads right back to generic ll01fe 0w30 oil. Nothing special about it, and this oil comes in large 200L + drums from Castrol now, there are images on BITOG showing new shipments to dealers.

Is that what they put in his car?

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by F87source

That's not true at all, there is no such thing as ///M oil, at least not anymore. There used to be with the 0w40 m power oil (10w60 doesn't count because it's not applicable for us). But then bmw switched to shell, and now Castrol. But during that switch 0w40 was dumped for 0w30 ll01 Fe oil, to promote better fuel economy. And that's the oil they use in ///M cars and non ///M cars alike. It comes in massive barrels from shell and now Castrol. There's also 5w30 which is ll01, but again it comes in a barrel. So no, there is no such special oil they use for ///M and non ///M's, they're all the same now and come in their massive barrels.


In terms of oil filters, they use the off the shelf kits that comes with the washer and orings. So if it's not listed they likely didn't use one.

Unreal

When did all this happen?

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Is that what they put in his car?

Yes, it's actually what they put in every s55 and n55 - factory fill, you don't have a choice. .

Technically for factory fluids the n55 is also approved for 5w30 tpt ll01 and this was some insanely good oil (since they didn't need to follow FE regulations) from shell using their GTL technology. However unless you're in a really hot country like Australia then your dealer might not stock 5w30 in their barrels and convincing them to use the bottles during the oil change especially when the m2 calls for 0w30 is highly unlikely. Especially since not many dealers are willing to look through ista for approvals, and this will make warranty a nightmare as well. So generally unless you live in a hot country or have a cool dealer that'll let you swap to 5w30 (also not ///m oil) then you got 0w30 ll01fe, which is used on all other bmw models except the new b58 where they're going even thinner for emissions (thicker oil = more parasitic loss) which is dumb as hell.


Also the old 0w40 m power oil is no longer approved iirc, so if you force the dealer to use those bottles - again highly unlikely they'll do it since it most likely will not be covered under warranty by bmw and thus they'll have to pay for it, or if you decide to pay for it. Then you risk getting denied warranty in the future as well.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Unreal

When did all this happen?

2016 iirc, this is when they stopped approving/making 0w40 m power oil. This is when they worked with shell.


However it was not all bad, iirc the tpt 5w30 shell made oil is even better than the 0w40 m power oil, and it wasn't even close. So you could always request or buy that, but people don't recognize this as they only think higher weight = better oil but that's not always true.


But, now a days with Castrol once again making the oil idk if 5w30 is good anymore. Because shell really pushed the limits of oil tech with their 5w30 and I really don't know if Castrol can compare. Only time will tell.


Either way my advice is while under warranty stay with bmw approved oils, and be fine with the 0w30 oil they're using now adays. No point fighting for 5w30 anymore since we don't know if it's worth it. Then when warranty is over ditch all that bmw oil and get some good aftermarket oil like PPE 5w40/qse 5w40, or motul xcess gen 2 5w40, and even Castrol edge 0w40 or 0w30.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by F87source

2016 iirc, this is when they stopped approving/making 0w40 m power oil. This is when they worked with shell.


However it was not all bad, iirc the tpt 5w30 shell made oil is even better than the 0w40 m power oil, and it wasn't even close. So you could always request or buy that, but people don't recognize this as they only think higher weight = better oil but that's not always true.


But, now a days with Castrol once again making the oil idk if 5w30 is good anymore. Because shell really pushed the limits of oil tech with their 5w30 and I really don't know if Castrol can compare. Only time will tell.


Either way my advice is while under warranty stay with bmw approved oils, and be fine with the 0w30 oil they're using now adays. No point fighting for 5w30 anymore since we don't know if it's worth it. Then when warranty is over ditch all that bmw oil and get some good aftermarket oil like PPE 5w40/qse 5w40, or motul xcess gen 2 5w40, and even Castrol edge 0w40 or 0w30.

Great info as always

As you know I run Platinum Euro 5/40 in my M2

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Great info as always

As you know I run Platinum Euro 5/40 in my M2

QSE 5w40 is fine too, saves you the money because for some reason pennzoil is hard to find in the states vs. QSE.

Here in Canada we have PPE, QSE, and moto master (Canadian tire oil - but also rebranded PPE because Canadian tire comissioned shell to make them euro oil) as a selection. However prices even at their lowest is a bit more than in the USA ($28 CAD for a 5L jug vs. $19 USD for a 5L jug).