[CalAcacian]

Not as much a true versus post as a "next step." Now that the GT4RS is essentially a confirmed product, I've spoken to my local Porsche dealership about getting info on their allocation and trying to get in line for a build as soon as I can.

According to them, they won't get info on their allocation until the announcement of the vehicle which is assumed to be Q3 2021.

Is anyone else looking to move to the GT4RS from their M2?

[TargaM2]

GT4 RS is on my future radar. Should be epic.

[T1313]

The car looks amazing but it's huge cash...$130k TO START....So I'd bet you're looking at $160k+ out the door with the way Porsche does options and the bearded hipster markup. Man that's a lot of cash for a Cayman!! Unless I was a huge track rat with many, many track days a year, I'd be looking into used 'supercars' at that level. Porsche prices are INSANE these days. I blame Chris Harris. Can't wait for the bubble to burst though

[CalAcacian]

Originally Posted by T1313

The car looks amazing but it's huge cash...$130k TO START....So I'd bet you're looking at $160k+ out the door with the way Porsche does options and the bearded hipster markup. Man that's a lot of cash for a Cayman!! Unless I was a huge track rat with many, many track days a year, I'd be looking into used 'supercars' at that level. Porsche prices are INSANE these days. I blame Chris Harris. Can't wait for the bubble to burst though

The price is daunting to be sure, but I expect this to be a truly amazing car, and it is an "affordable" entry into the RS market.

If it ends up being too expensive, I think it is almost certain that introduction of the RS softens GT4 prices. And that may ultimately be the more livable DD car.

[akhbhaat]

Originally Posted by T1313

The car looks amazing but it's huge cash...$130k TO START....So I'd bet you're looking at $160k+ out the door with the way Porsche does options and the bearded hipster markup. Man that's a lot of cash for a Cayman!! Unless I was a huge track rat with many, many track days a year, I'd be looking into used 'supercars' at that level. Porsche prices are INSANE these days. I blame Chris Harris. Can't wait for the bubble to burst though

For a GT car, spec it with buckets and maybe the extended leather (dash/door) interior for a grand total of ~$8-9k on top of base and be done with it. All the desirable go-fast stuff is standard. We all run iron brakes on the track and the GT take on that kit is still enough to pull your face off; PCCBs play well for the press fleet, but have an elevated risk of damage and are extremely expensive to repair/replace.

Originally Posted by CalAcacian

If it ends up being too expensive, I think it is almost certain that introduction of the RS softens GT4 prices. And that may ultimately be the more livable DD car.

That'd be my guess, as well. Alongside the 992 GT3, these could push some more 981 GT4s and 991 GT3s onto the market. One of those could be a better play for the money IMO.

[Montaver]

Used GT cars prices won't meaningfully come down, neither will enthusiast cars in general I suspect. Look at the prices of sorted S2000's, E46 M3's, E90 M3's etc. Demand for enthusiast cars far outstrips demand, just look at what's happening on bring a trailer. There are too many people with too much disposable wealth and a finite supply. It's only going to get worse as governments push electric on everyone. This is literally the golden age of cars, it will look very different in 10 years. If you want a specific car, buy it now if you can.

GT4 RS looks fantastic, but it's nearly double the price of a 981 GT4 so I don't see it affecting that market much beyond its current relatively shallow depreciation.

[akhbhaat]

I think it's also worth pointing out that Porsche Motorsport and BMW M serve different markets. GT cars are track-ready sports cars and the RS models take it even farther: the latter is essentially a self-towing track car. Both are substantially more aggressive out of the box than any factory spec M car I've ever owned or driven (I have not driven an M4 GTS); M cars are still fundamentally sport-luxury passenger cars. If you're looking for a like-meets-like Porsche-flavored upgrade path from an M2/M3/M4, what you actually want is a Carrera/Cayman GTS.

I'm curious to see if the GT4RS provides a compelling upgrade path for existing GT4 owners. Given the price delta, the relatively incremental performance improvements, and some of the other changes (more livable but less "raw"), the 718 is a tough sell for 981 owners...but the GT4RS might have enough in it to swing the needle. Then again, as above, different purposes. A PDK-only track weapon doesn't really appeal to me because my track habit is a pretty casual tertiary hobby; I do a handful of HPDEs per year plus occasional lunchtime power hour lapping. Would rather have the more streetable purist MT sports car and the regular GT4 already serves that purpose brilliantly.

[RPM33]

Is the GT4 RS a one year limited production car?

[TripleU]

I am definitely looking to get a Porsche GT car, but I think I'd just go the used market and go with a 991.1 GT3 or 981 GT4. I think GT4 RS is going to be way too expensive for a Cayman, and at that price, I'd rather just go with a 992 GT3.

[RPM33]

Originally Posted by TripleU

I am definitely looking to get a Porsche GT car, but I think I'd just go the used market and go with a 991.1 GT3 or 981 GT4. I think GT4 RS is going to be way too expensive for a Cayman, and at that price, I'd rather just go with a 992 GT3.

This is my thinking as well as Cayman GT4 RS could be too expensive. GT3 will be more powerful.

[Bumpinjeep]

Originally Posted by CalAcacian

Is anyone else looking to move to the GT4RS from their M2?

Um...you're talking about a $60K car vs a $150K+ car. After options, there's like six figures between them. I don't think anyone is cross shopping these two cars. I mean, unless my salary doubles or triples, if then, hell yeah i'm shopping for a GT4RS. Might as well pick up a Cayenne GT as well.

[to_riffic]

Originally Posted by RPM33

This is my thinking as well as Cayman GT4 RS could be too expensive. GT3 will be more powerful.

If you can even find a 991.2 at a reasonable price. My understanding is that they're asking 20-40k over, even after all these years. It's a ridiculous market right now.

Buddy got his 918 GT4 at MSRP, and now you can't find them anywhere less than 15k over. I'm sure there are, but be ready to make the many rounds of phone calls.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by to_riffic

If you can even find a 991.2 at a reasonable price. My understanding is that they're asking 20-40k over, even after all these years. It's a ridiculous market right now.

Buddy got his 918 GT4 at MSRP, and now you can't find them anywhere less than 15k over. I'm sure there are, but be ready to make the many rounds of phone calls.

991.2 GT3s are anywhere from 20-50K over on the winged cars, and up to 100K over for a touring. ADM on new cars on average is 30K...and when the touring is out on flipper hands, I bet you'll be seeing 100K plus over on them.
I have a GT4 and in line for a GT4RS, but it may be a very limited car (under 1000 units) and likely to command 50K over MSRP.

[to_riffic]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

991.2 GT3s are anywhere from 20-50K over on the winged cars, and up to 100K over for a touring. ADM on new cars on average is 30K...and when the touring is out on flipper hands, I bet you'll be seeing 100K plus over on them.
I have a GT4 and in line for a GT4RS, but it may be a very limited car (under 1000 units) and likely to command 50K over MSRP.

Yep. Can totally see that. Also don't know how long this chip shortage will be, so who knows whether 1k units is achievable if it's going to be a one yr run or not.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by to_riffic

Yep. Can totally see that. Also don't know how long this chip shortage will be, so who knows whether 1k units is achievable if it's going to be a one yr run or not.

The bigger issue is the downstream impact. With fewer cars, more people are ordering meaning the stuff like 911s, Caymans, Boxsters, Cayenne GTS/Turbo, Panamera GTS/Turbo S are rare to see as stock meaning if you're waiting for a car to come in and not spec, you're going to be waiting a long time. I think chips will catch up, but how will the above look? Producing less cars will constrain supply when demand continues to be through the roof.

[Equilibrandt]

I'd bet the biggest appeal for the niche group of GT# P people is that getting a new GT3 allocation is virtually impossible if you don't have a huge cashflow (or are someone who's been buying Porsches often so they make it into the dealer's legacy/personal allocation list). GT4s are probably quite a bit easier to get an allocation for, though I'm not sure the GT4RS will be. For that price point, I don't see why someone wouldn't just hunt for an older GT3.

[RPM33]

Originally Posted by IIIMPERATIVE

I'd bet the biggest appeal for the niche group of GT# P people is that getting a new GT3 allocation is virtually impossible if you don't have a huge cashflow (or are someone who's been buying Porsches often so they make it into the dealer's legacy/personal allocation list). GT4s are probably quite a bit easier to get an allocation for, though I'm not sure the GT4RS will be. For that price point, I don't see why someone wouldn't just hunt for an older GT3.

I agree. It seems that the GT4 RS will be underpowered compared to a GT3. Plus the GT3 engine is better.

[Romo]

I can tell the difference between a M2CS and a 718 GT4, and it's huge.

I do love de GT more and more, as its a total sportscar the CS never will be.

Both cars great in their own.

I have a confirmed pre-order/slot on a GT4RS

Maybe a can compare them in a while, let's wait and see

[RPM33]

Originally Posted by Romo

I can tell the difference between a M2CS and a 718 GT4, and it's huge.

I do love de GT more and more, as its a total sportscar the CS never will be.

Both cars great in their own.

I have a confirmed pre-order/slot on a GT4RS

Maybe a can compare them in a while, let's wait and see

When do they expect the GT4 RS to launch Romo?

[Fined]

Originally Posted by IIIMPERATIVE

I'd bet the biggest appeal for the niche group of GT# P people is that getting a new GT3 allocation is virtually impossible if you don't have a huge cashflow (or are someone who's been buying Porsches often so they make it into the dealer's legacy/personal allocation list). GT4s are probably quite a bit easier to get an allocation for, though I'm not sure the GT4RS will be. For that price point, I don't see why someone wouldn't just hunt for an older GT3.

It depends on what you like driving. Some folks are firmly in the mid engine camp, and some others prefer the rear engine. I owned a Cayman and 911 at the same time and the feel of the two cars is not that similar when you press on. Get the weight moving around in the car and it's a different experience. I don't think I'd buy another Cayman. But I can also understand that someone who really wanted a Cayman may not be satisfied with a 911 of some kind since the cars drive differently.

[Romo]

Originally Posted by RPM33

When do they expect the GT4 RS to launch Romo?

As I understood;

Specs will be clear late fall/end of year.

There are very strong and reliable rumors the car will get 500HP and the engine will hit 9K rpm (FWIW)

Road presence 2022

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Romo

As I understood;

Specs will be clear late fall/end of year.

There are very strong and reliable rumors the car will get 500HP and the engine will hit 9K rpm (FWIW)

Road presence 2022

It's about time they gave the Cayman platform the real "goods" if you will...I really want the 718 Spyder, but wished it had an engine that sounded epic (like my 981 BGTS does) right out of the box.

Too much neutering for the Spyder / GT4 variants...