[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by BallHog5873

I read that the MAD 5" has fitment issues with the M2. Is that the case?

No fitment issue

[sapphire-f87]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

You wont lose power with the upgrade, as mentioned by AmuroRay, we don't offer VRSF.

We offer ARM / BMS which are comparable in quality and performance to VRSF

Any fitment issues with the ARM IC on the F87? Does the f87 front brace (under the bumper) need to be removed / trimmed like on some other larger ICs?

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by sapphire-f87

Any fitment issues with the ARM IC on the F87? Does the f87 front brace (under the bumper) need to be removed / trimmed like on some other larger ICs?

I don't think anything needs to be trimmed, it should fit like the ER intercooler (profile is similar).

But one thing to look out for is the upper fan shroud blocking airflow to the IC - I would consider trimming that slightly so air doesn't get caught in the upper part of the bumper and below the shroud.

[vrooooom]

ER requires removal of the bracket. I’ve also read where the IC comes with a bracket to replace the existing. If I’m not mistaken.

Originally that’s the one I wanted but when I knew it wasn’t PnP, I dropped that option.

Here’s a posting from someone here—Pal. I found his message to me.

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1828191

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by vrooooom

ER requires removal of the bracket. I’ve also read where the IC comes with a bracket to replace the existing. If I’m not mistaken.

Originally that’s the one I wanted but when I knew it wasn’t PnP, I dropped that option.

Here’s a posting from someone here—Pal. I found his message to me.

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1828191

Good Call on the bracket - Us regular non m people are unwashed and don't have it.

The ER does require a bumper removal (specifically because of the upper mounting brackets) the ARM does not have those brackets. I can't comment on interference with the crash bar.

[sapphire-f87]

Originally Posted by vrooooom

ER requires removal of the bracket. I’ve also read where the IC comes with a bracket to replace the existing. If I’m not mistaken.

Originally that’s the one I wanted but when I knew it wasn’t PnP, I dropped that option.

Here’s a posting from someone here—Pal. I found his message to me.

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1828191

Thanks so much for the response, you have saved me hours of work.

I'm assuming the clever people at M put that additional brace on the f87 for a reason, so I would prefer to leave it in place and go with an PNP option.

[vrooooom]

The car was new (to me) so I didn’t want to mess too much with it but logically we’re here coz most of us “upgrades” our parts right? FMIC, pipes etc. another way of looking at it is that their bracket may be an upgrade to the existing one. True or not I cant tell you. I think it’s just the nature of things. But I was also rather new to this car back then so a bit more conservative, today I might be more willing.

I read about before that the larger size MAY block the flow of air into what’s behind it which is the radiator, etc. logically seems to make sense to me. So that may be a concern. But I’ve also heard that the cooling system of our M2 is very good. I hope so coz every time I open the hood after a drive it’s so hot in there and stays surprisingly hot for a long while.

Anyways you’re welcome and tell us what you’ve decided on. Lots of experienced and helpful guys here.

[gsm2x3]

Read through this before making my intercooler decision so I'd figured I'd add what little info I can contribute.

Installed VRSF 5". Also have VRSF downpipe and chargepipe. Flashed MHD stage 2+. Car is a daily. No track use. Few pulls and "spirited" driving. So far IAT hasn't gone past 80°F

When monitoring with my stock intercooler I was consistent 100-110 after 1 pull.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by gsm2x3

Read through this before making my intercooler decision so I'd figured I'd add what little info I can contribute.

Installed VRSF 5". Also have VRSF downpipe and chargepipe. Flashed MHD stage 2+. Car is a daily. No track use. Few pulls and "spirited" driving. So far IAT hasn't gone past 80°F

When monitoring with my stock intercooler I was consistent 100-110 after 1 pull.

Your numbers are very low even for the stock intercooler. Your ambient temps must be low or your pulls are too short.

[gsm2x3]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

Your numbers are very low even for the stock intercooler. Your ambient temps must be low or your pulls are too short.

Did some longer pulls, never went past mid-upper 80's. Definitely happy with the results. Curious to see what happens on a hot summer day. Temps have been 70's when doing these.

[ROBM2C]

Wrong thread please delete

[Mattaos]

I just had the VRSF 6.5” IC installed on my OG M2 and the chassis brace did not require spacing. I was expecting spacing to be required as I’d read others had needed it.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by Mattaos

I just had the VRSF 6.5” IC installed on my OG M2 and the chassis brace did not require spacing. I was expecting spacing to be required as I’d read others had needed it.

Race or Competition? The Comp is around 8" tall and the Race is 11" tall, which I was told (I have a M235i) require spacing.

Do you have pictures or logs?

[track.n.trail]

Originally Posted by Mattaos

I just had the VRSF 6.5” IC installed on my OG M2 and the chassis brace did not require spacing. I was expecting spacing to be required as I’d read others had needed it.

Have you checked to make sure the intercooler isn't contacting the frontal brace directly in front of the intercooler? I installed the VRSF 6.5" a few weeks back and it was making serious contact. I've since swapped it out for the CSF.

Is anyone else having issues with CSF IC/FTP Charge Pipes contacting the bottom of the AC condenser? Because of the angle of the connections on the IC and the placement of the thicker silicone section of the CP there doesn't seem to be any way to align the pipes to that they don't make contact with the AC condenser...

[vrooooom]

Originally Posted by track.n.trail

Is anyone else having issues with CSF IC/FTP Charge Pipes contacting the bottom of the AC condenser? Because of the angle of the connections on the IC and the placement of the thicker silicone section of the CP there doesn't seem to be any way to align the pipes to that they don't make contact with the AC condenser...

Is there a new thicker silicone connector now? I don't recall having contacts aside from the connection point.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by track.n.trail

Have you checked to make sure the intercooler isn't contacting the frontal brace directly in front of the intercooler? I installed the VRSF 6.5" a few weeks back and it was making serious contact. I've since swapped it out for the CSF.

Is anyone else having issues with CSF IC/FTP Charge Pipes contacting the bottom of the AC condenser? Because of the angle of the connections on the IC and the placement of the thicker silicone section of the CP there doesn't seem to be any way to align the pipes to that they don't make contact with the AC condenser...

Race or competition?

[pal]

The crash bar goes back on after the ER intercooler is installed. It simply needs to be removed for the install to have room to remove the plastic bits and bolt on the I/C.

[vrooooom]

There's no mention of the ER IC here. CSF and VRSF only.

BTW, the "crash bar" is not removable in order to fit the ER IC, from my previous research, the brace is replaced so their IC fits w/o interference. That's what I remember. Pls correct me if there's been changes and I'm now mistaken.

Here's a very detailed instruction on how he installed an ER IC.

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1828191

[track.n.trail]

Originally Posted by vrooooom

Is there a new thicker silicone connector now? I don't recall having contacts aside from the connection point.

It seems like a normal silicone coupler

The angle that the CSF intercooler puts the chargepipe at makes it impossible to have any clearance - my previous VRSF CP had a small amount of room due to the silicone coupler being located farther up towards the throttle body instead of at the AC condenser.

After some digging I have found some other reports of this being an issue. Thic Whips on YouTube and a couple forum members had this problem as well.

[AmuroRay]

Guys - Competition or Race intercooler.

There is a difference - same depth, the race is taller and will contact the brace.

[track.n.trail]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Guys - Competition or Race intercooler.

There is a difference - same depth, the race is taller and will contact the brace.

6.5" Competition. It contacted the front brace when installed on my M2. Due to the contact it would actually sit at an angle. When I pulled it out to replace it with the CSF it had rub marks on the welds from rubbing against the brace.

[varooshgog]

Hey All,

I have been looking into getting an IC for the OG M2 just to help with the heat in CA and eventually Texas (and hopefully make a bit more power on a stock tune). I have been looking into the Evolution Racewerks IC since I've always liked their product quality, but wanted to get some insight on the following:

1) Did anyone notice any increase/decrease in throttle response once you swapped over to the ER IC?

2) If someone dyno'd the car afterwards, but did you see any HP/Torque improvements on a stock tune post IC change (this is more general with any of the larger ICs)?

3) Would you say the ER IC was worth it? I know the install is a lot more complicated given you have to take off the bumper and some braces I believe (I'm using my local shop, so will likely have a larger labor bill), but do you think it was worth it/benefit the overall setup?

4) Would you recommend swapping the Turbo Inlet at the same? I already have the ER Charge Pipes installed (was a pain, but I also have gorilla hands) but figured its worth inquiring about the Turbo Inlet if I'm taking it to the shop anyways.