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      02-01-2018, 11:15 PM   #23
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I've not had the experience of driving the M3 ... I just hate the sound of them. The exhaust note of the M3/4 is awful, and while no doubt they're a (very) good car, the M2 more than has their measure and offers more all-round appeal.

The N55 in the M2 is fantastic ... I, for one, have zero regrets about buying it even with the rumors around the upcoming S55 engine. I hope that BMW improve the sound of the S55 in the M2 ... its hard to believe they could make it sound worse

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I agree with you mate! like i said i have owned an F80 M3 that i just sold for over 3 years! After an extended test drive i fell more in love with the M2 in 30 minutes than i did in 3 years with my M3!

The power difference between and M2 and my 2015 LCI M3 was very marginal if any IMO.

I might put a JB4 on it and run the extra 15-20% increase in power and enjoy it for what it is! The sound of the M2 kicks the absolute SHIT out of an F80 M3 even with an Mperformance exhaust!
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Is the M2 coming out with the S55? When is that meant to be happening?

I still prepare the sound of the N54 in the M2, I've had 2 F80 M3's, unbelievable car! However after driving a few M2's I've come to the conclusion they are more nimble and just as much fun if not more fun!
Two F80 and one F82 here, and agree M2 is more fun! The S55 overpowers the chassis at times, leaving a lot of wheel spin. No such issue in my M2. Not sure if the M2 Competition and M2 CS is going to be an improvement to the M2 but I’ve ordered it anyway.
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Two F80 and one F82 here, and agree M2 is more fun! The S55 overpowers the chassis at times, leaving a lot of wheel spin. No such issue in my M2. Not sure if the M2 Competition and M2 CS is going to be an improvement to the M2 but I’ve ordered it anyway.
What have you ordered?

Apparently the comp pack m2 is here Q3 2018?? At 90K they are an amazing buy the M2! The comp pack will have to be up around the 125k mark especially it its going to the the S55. That's well into 2nd hand low kms M3 comp pack money.

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I agree with you mate! like i said i have owned an F80 M3 that i just sold for over 3 years! After an extended test drive i fell more in love with the M2 in 30 minutes than i did in 3 years with my M3!

The power difference between and M2 and my 2015 LCI M3 was very marginal if any IMO.

I might put a JB4 on it and run the extra 15-20% increase in power and enjoy it for what it is! The sound of the M2 kicks the absolute SHIT out of an F80 M3 even with an Mperformance exhaust!
I am very surprised you said that the power difference is very marginal. I feel that the M3/M4 has MUCH more torque and power.
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What have you ordered?
M2 CS.
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      02-02-2018, 03:35 AM   #28
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I am very surprised you said that the power difference is very marginal. I feel that the M3/M4 has MUCH more torque and power.
M3/M4 LCI is 4.1sec 0/100

M2 is 4.3sec 0/100

IMO that is reflected when you drive them back to back. I drove a new M2 LCI last weekend back to back with a new comp pack M3 and the M3 only felt marginally faster. I felt the M2 was quicker through the corners but the M3 was a little faster in a straight line.

As a weekend blast car the M2 is an absolute Pissa!!

So you have ordered an M2 CS not knowing what engine etc is coming in it yet? What dealership took the order?

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M3/M4 LCI is 4.1sec 0/100

M2 is 4.3sec 0/100

IMO that is reflected when you drive them back to back. I drove a new M2 LCI last weekend back to back with a new comp pack M3 and the M3 only felt marginally faster. I felt the M2 was quicker through the corners but the M3 was a little faster in a straight line.

As a weekend blast car the M2 is an absolute Pissa!!

So you have ordered an M2 CS not knowing what engine etc is coming in it yet? What dealership took the order?
The Competition engine has been confirm by VIN of test cars for probably a year now. Not by BMW directly obviously. Plenty of dealerships have held orders for a long time. Mine was originally placed in Nov 2015. At least two more on this forum has also ordered. Build for the Competition starts in a few months for RHD Australian cars.

0-100 is not how you judge the power of a car. In gear acceleration and over a longer distance M2 is no where near M3. Plenty of videos out there if you don’t believe me. In any case you can feel it anyway. But yes, I definitely think my M2 is much more fun than my M3 for many reasons.
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Apparently the comp pack m2 is here Q3 2018?? At 90K they are an amazing buy the M2! The comp pack will have to be up around the 125k mark especially it its going to the the S55. That's well into 2nd hand low kms M3 comp pack money.
Yes that has been discussed to death on various forums and it’s the truth especially when you take into account the deep discount on M3CP. But I get the feeling the M2 Competition (apparently it isn’t Comp pack but a new M car naming convention) will be less than people think. CS though, will be more than people are expecting.
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Apparently the comp pack m2 is here Q3 2018?? At 90K they are an amazing buy the M2! The comp pack will have to be up around the 125k mark especially it its going to the the S55. That's well into 2nd hand low kms M3 comp pack money.
Yes that has been discussed to death on various forums and it’s the truth especially when you take into account the deep discount on M3CP. But I get the feeling the M2 Competition (apparently it isn’t Comp pack but a new M car naming convention) will be less than people think. CS though, will be more than people are expecting.
Yes competition will be same price as now, just like M3/M4 there were no increase in price. CS will be the more expensive one, I'd assume limited supply as well.
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M3/M4 LCI is 4.1sec 0/100

M2 is 4.3sec 0/100

IMO that is reflected when you drive them back to back. I drove a new M2 LCI last weekend back to back with a new comp pack M3 and the M3 only felt marginally faster. I felt the M2 was quicker through the corners but the M3 was a little faster in a straight line.

As a weekend blast car the M2 is an absolute Pissa!!

So you have ordered an M2 CS not knowing what engine etc is coming in it yet? What dealership took the order?
The Competition engine has been confirm by VIN of test cars for probably a year now. Not by BMW directly obviously. Plenty of dealerships have held orders for a long time. Mine was originally placed in Nov 2015. At least two more on this forum has also ordered. Build for the Competition starts in a few months for RHD Australian cars.

0-100 is not how you judge the power of a car. In gear acceleration and over a longer distance M2 is no where near M3. Plenty of videos out there if you don’t believe me. In any case you can feel it anyway. But yes, I definitely think my M2 is much more fun than my M3 for many reasons.
I agree with you that the M3 is the faster car in a straight line and no doubt would have the M2's measure comfortably, I've seen plenty of videos myself! On the day of the test drive I was driving real twisty back roads and the M2 felt just as quick.

I suppose the battle I'm having is do I wait until the end of the year for an S55 CP M2 or buy this car now with the N55 and put a JB4 or something similar in it?

Not sure if the S55 even with the power upgrade will get me as excited when I'm in an M2? The truth is it just won't sound as good.
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"problem" with the N55 engine is it's old. First introduced in 2010, on the M2 it's "maxed out" already, back in 2010 on the 135 it started out as 225kw, M135/M235i it's 240kw and M2 only 272kw. Flash tune on the M135i and M235i N55 engine gets the same output as a M2 with the same tune.
The "old" part of the N55 if I understand it correctly, is that it doesn't meet upcoming emission standards. And running the "old" argument to its zenith, I'd say that anyone buying any car today of any sort (maybe except electric cars) is buying old technology.

I'd be fairly certain that there is a lot more to the N55 in the M2 than a flash job.

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Even though BMWs/M cars aren't suppose to be about the engine, more the chassis and driving package, the M2 do indeed need an upgraded engine like the S55. It should be a pretty big improvement with twin turbo vs twin scroll single turbo.
Setting aside the engine power stuff, I bought the M2 for a whole variety of reasons and its a fantastic car. The storming acceleration is amazing, and while I don't need more power (we've already got our first speeding ticket) its great that BMW continue to improve the package.

I've heard the S55 in the M3/4 and I think it sounds crap. The thing running through my head when I hear it is ... "why pay all that money for such a shit sounding car"...? The answer is that those owners have probably bought their car for more than the engine note

I just hope that BMW do a better job on the engine note of the S55 in the upcoming release than what has been done in the M3/4. It'd be a shame to spoil what is already a very very good thing.

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Curious why people are saying the new M2 is no good because of the sound of the S55 engine... quality of sound is down to the exhaust it's not all engine related... current M2 shares the same engine as 135/235/335/435... those cars with stock exhaust sounds completely different. Bmw engineers just put a more aggressive exhaust on the M2 stock so it sounds better (sounds the same as the non m car with an exhaust).

M3/M4 is a mass market car, Bmw intentionally put a more muted exhaust as stock, they sound good with an aftermarket exhaust.
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I’m very happy with my comp in its stock form, I’d hardly call it “crap”.

If you want sound buy n/a or s/c and stop f’ing winging.
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I suppose the battle I'm having is do I wait until the end of the year for an S55 CP M2 or buy this car now with the N55 and put a JB4 or something similar in it?
If you’re not in a rush I’d suggest waiting. With the new CP M2, BMW will have a few old stock M2’s sitting around and pretty sure they’ll offer heavy incentives at that time to move them. You’ll be able to decide them which you prefer and probably grab yourself a bargain.
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I suppose the battle I'm having is do I wait until the end of the year for an S55 CP M2 or buy this car now with the N55 and put a JB4 or something similar in it?
If you’re not in a rush I’d suggest waiting. With the new CP M2, BMW will have a few old stock M2’s sitting around and pretty sure they’ll offer heavy incentives at that time to move them. You’ll be able to decide them which you prefer and probably grab yourself a bargain.
No sure if my sales guy is talking crap or not, but he told me today that the M2 CP will be priced at between 125k - 130k with no discounting.
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No sure if my sales guy is talking crap or not, but he told me today that the M2 CP will be priced at between 125k - 130k with no discounting.
A sales guy trying to motivate you to buy now, hmmmm...
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A sales guy trying to motivate you to buy now, hmmmm...
I'm obviously aware of that, just curious to see if anyone has heard of what M2 CP pricing will be?
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I'm obviously aware of that, just curious to see if anyone has heard of what M2 CP pricing will be?
I was also told around the 130k mark.
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If you’re not in a rush I’d suggest waiting. With the new CP M2, BMW will have a few old stock M2’s sitting around and pretty sure they’ll offer heavy incentives at that time to move them. You’ll be able to decide them which you prefer and probably grab yourself a bargain.
Hi, im a F30 guy looking to get an m2
How long do you think the wait for this will be?
Are we talking a month or 2 or more like a year?
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If you’re not in a rush I’d suggest waiting. With the new CP M2, BMW will have a few old stock M2’s sitting around and pretty sure they’ll offer heavy incentives at that time to move them. You’ll be able to decide them which you prefer and probably grab yourself a bargain.
Hi, im a F30 guy looking to get an m2
How long do you think the wait for this will be?
Are we talking a month or 2 or more like a year?
I would say earliest November-December but more like 2019 for Australia.

That's if you're willing to put a deposit down early... which is probably now as it's expected to be announced in March.

Next is if you're willing to pay full retail... without knowing how much it is as after announcement they won't announce pricing for another few months.

For me I refuse to pay full retail just to be an early adopter... I'd say late 2019 if you want any discounts. Which will Be end of my 5 year finance... but probably would've got something by then lol
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I would say earliest November-December but more like 2019 for Australia.

That's if you're willing to put a deposit down early... which is probably now as it's expected to be announced in March.

Next is if you're willing to pay full retail... without knowing how much it is as after announcement they won't announce pricing for another few months.

For me I refuse to pay full retail just to be an early adopter... I'd say late 2019 if you want any discounts. Which will Be end of my 5 year finance... but probably would've got something by then lol
I agree with you on the whole not wanting to pay full retail! My thoughts are get a good deal on a current N55 M2 which is amazing and modify it a little with exhaust, DP and JB4 potentially.

Then wait until the S55 has been released for 8-12 months and start negotiating on most likely a 2020 built car.
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Dens, they wont run for long in production terms so supply will be limited, get in early or don’t bother waiting imo.
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