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Could be my mistake, anyway; those speeds are not bad for steering characteristics, the speeds I`m talking about are all over the before mentioned 50 km/h (31 MPH). So no intervention what so ever from the "power steering plus" option. Driving the Autobahn the car has a strong tendency to hold straight lines, my explanation is that the car has a rather small wheelbase (247,5 cm), so it has no naturally stability , so they made it more stable with more self centering force in steering. But also driving lets say 80-100 km/h you can feel "the force"..... but not in a good way. The effects; while cornering at high speeds you will have to fight the steering, you have to correct it, it will take a more than moderate amount of force because the steering wheel wants to self centre. This is the way I experienced it, and the more I drove the car, the less I liked it. All my Bimmers (E46 M3, E92 M3, E82 1M, had non of these forces) No offense to anybody who likes this kind of steering ! |
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Sold the 135 and couldn't wait for any longer for the M2, so I got myself a 981S 6 speed with sport exhaust last month, couldn't be happier
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01-18-2016, 09:31 PM | #48 | |
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And you are correct, the primary reason to get it is that you can't get limited slip without PTV. Personally, I would get X73 on any Cayman I get, but that's obvious since I have a GT4. But the X73 is a zero cost option, so that's good. I just prefer the sportiest suspension possible. The GT4 sits -30mm and I have had no issues at all. The GT4 has an added lip which gets scrapped up slightly, but the GTS does not have that. Just have to be cognizant of steep inclines or deep dips. However, the GTS is -20mm if you get the X73, as you probably know anyway. Regardless, hopefully you pick a GTS up.. It's one of my favorite cars for sure. Last edited by csbear; 01-18-2016 at 09:41 PM.. |
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01-19-2016, 05:56 AM | #49 |
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Cayman = Amazing car
M2 = Amazing car To pick between the two is a dilemma and will be based on personal preferences and situations.
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They have a few different options that you can purchase when you're taking delivery - three different "levels" if that makes sense. The higher levels cover more, and lower cover less in terms of maintenance.
IIRC the oil changes are in the ~$200 range, but aren't needed until 20,000 miles. Not sure I will wait that long, but the engines are supposedly pretty stout when it comes to longevity without issues - we shall see how that goes. I do think it is relatively difficult to access certain parts of the engine, so if you are a DIYer, it might be a consideration. I have to admit that I am a mechanical idiot, so that's not really a concern for me.
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As for work, Porsche engines are designed to allow routine maintenance to be performed from under the car, although yes if you had to do something unusual it could be quite a chore to hoist the engine out of the bay.
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Can't speak for 981 but my 987.1 was pretty cheap to maintain. I bought all the parts online for the 40K major service and I think it came out to 300 total. Oil, filter, cabin filter, spark plugs, belt, air filter etc. Easy to work on except the spark plugs which are changed from the bottom for easier access.
Either way this comparison is kind of weird. One is a 4 seater and the other is a 2 seater that costs double. |
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Significantly more? Yes. Double...no, unless it is a GT4, which makes sense.
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In the case of the M2 vs a Cayman, the addition of 2 borderline unusable rear seats doesn't fundamentally change the use case of each vehicle. You aren't towing a trailer with one and not the other. The Cayman is only slightly smaller than an M2, and depending on configuration, can cost about the same, and will likely perform roughly the same. It does I suppose put the M2 in a different narrowly defined and irrelevant marketing niche compared to Cayman, but personally I don't listen to magazines and OEMs when they tell me what i should cross-shop. |
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01-20-2016, 10:35 AM | #63 | |
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The Cayman weighs 300+ pounds less than the M2, seats 2 less people has the engine in the middle vs. the front is flat 6 N/A vs I6 turbocharged. Under no circumstances are they similarly priced new for new. M2 is 51K and the cheapest no options Cayman S is 64K. Nobody buys a no options Cayman S. Average build is closer to mid 70's (up to 100K) after options which is M4 pricing territory. I guess they can both be used as a daily driver or track car but I would not consider the 2 cars competitors at all and I doubt many people in the market for a new Cayman S are cross shopping a new M2. Last edited by CosmosMpower; 01-20-2016 at 10:56 AM.. |
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you can get a used Cayman 2014 with 2K miles + all the options you need for 60K.
They are much closer that people give them credit. I found some Boxster S with 4k miles with all the options minus the exhaust note - for 55k. |
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