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      01-17-2016, 01:17 PM   #45
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As far as I know, the option is working until 31 mph (50km/h) and the transition effect is rather disturbing, especially when cornering. I like the steering feel (what is left of it) on a sport car to be as linear as possible, especially in the era of electro-mechanical power steering.

Could be my mistake, anyway; those speeds are not bad for steering characteristics, the speeds I`m talking about are all over the before mentioned 50 km/h (31 MPH). So no intervention what so ever from the "power steering plus" option.

Driving the Autobahn the car has a strong tendency to hold straight lines, my explanation is that the car has a rather small wheelbase (247,5 cm), so it has no naturally stability , so they made it more stable with more self centering force in steering. But also driving lets say 80-100 km/h you can feel "the force"..... but not in a good way.
The effects; while cornering at high speeds you will have to fight the steering, you have to correct it, it will take a more than moderate amount of force because the steering wheel wants to self centre.

This is the way I experienced it, and the more I drove the car, the less I liked it. All my Bimmers (E46 M3, E92 M3, E82 1M, had non of these forces)
No offense to anybody who likes this kind of steering !
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I just checked, and it is definitely on the U.S. configurator at least, under: Performance...for $270. And yes, as Romo mentioned, it's for low speeds, like parking, etc. So not really useful for performance driving.

I really like that config. Are you planning to order it?
If so, great choice with the Carmine Red and GTS Interior/Exterior. I would basically configure it the exact same way. That thing is going to be beautiful. My brother has a 991 GTS in Carmine Red..stunning!

I'm guessing you already know, but be a little careful with the front glossy exterior bits though. They will show rock chips a little more than the exterior which doesn't have the GTS exterior pkg. Although the GTS exterior pkg really adds "pop" and looks nice.
Thanks for the feedback, I'm visiting the Porsche dealer tomorrow. I originally wanted the white but it was a bit low on the options side and has the X73, I think I could've lived with the X73 providing it had the PTV. I'm assuming no diff at all outside the PTV, correct?

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      01-18-2016, 09:31 PM   #48
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Thanks for the feedback, I'm visiting the Porsche dealer tomorrow. I originally wanted the white but it was a bit low on the options side and has the X73, I think I could've lived with the X73 providing it had the PTV. I'm assuming no diff at all outside the PTV, correct?

www.porsche-code.com/PFGVVTR6
PTV uses your rear brakes to help keep the car stable when you are cornering, but is mainly for track use.

And you are correct, the primary reason to get it is that you can't get limited slip without PTV.

Personally, I would get X73 on any Cayman I get, but that's obvious since I have a GT4. But the X73 is a zero cost option, so that's good.
I just prefer the sportiest suspension possible. The GT4 sits -30mm and I have had no issues at all. The GT4 has an added lip which gets scrapped up slightly, but the GTS does not have that. Just have to be cognizant of steep inclines or deep dips. However, the GTS is -20mm if you get the X73, as you probably know anyway.

Regardless, hopefully you pick a GTS up.. It's one of my favorite cars for sure.

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How costly is maintenance on a 981s?
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Thanks for the feedback, I'm visiting the Porsche dealer tomorrow. I originally wanted the white but it was a bit low on the options side and has the X73, I think I could've lived with the X73 providing it had the PTV. I'm assuming no diff at all outside the PTV, correct?

www.porsche-code.com/PFGVVTR6
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How costly is maintenance on a 981s?
They have a few different options that you can purchase when you're taking delivery - three different "levels" if that makes sense. The higher levels cover more, and lower cover less in terms of maintenance.

IIRC the oil changes are in the ~$200 range, but aren't needed until 20,000 miles. Not sure I will wait that long, but the engines are supposedly pretty stout when it comes to longevity without issues - we shall see how that goes.

I do think it is relatively difficult to access certain parts of the engine, so if you are a DIYer, it might be a consideration. I have to admit that I am a mechanical idiot, so that's not really a concern for me.
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      01-19-2016, 09:31 AM   #53
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This thread should go in the "M2 vs..." sub-forum.
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      01-19-2016, 12:11 PM   #54
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IIRC the oil changes are in the ~$200 range, but aren't needed until 20,000 miles. Not sure I will wait that long, but the engines are supposedly pretty stout when it comes to longevity without issues - we shall see how that goes.

I do think it is relatively difficult to access certain parts of the engine, so if you are a DIYer, it might be a consideration. I have to admit that I am a mechanical idiot, so that's not really a concern for me.
Oil changes at dealers can be significantly more than that, and a lot of that charge is just to reset the service reminder, which can't be done via the dashboard like BMWs. It's hugely annoying, but investing in a Durametric cable or finding an aftermarket shop that has a third-party diag tool that can do this (such as a Snap-On Verus) avoids that. However, the oil change interval on Porsches is 10K miles. I'll be changing mine every 5K, just as I changed every 7.5K when BMW recommended 15K, though they've now switched back to 10K. Porsche's transaxle interval is something like 125K, which I think is ludicrous even though the drain plug is magnetic and should therefore hang onto metal shards. Most people who do any track work seem to change that at 10K since it's not very expensive or difficult and you don't need to reset the service minder until 125K anyway.

As for work, Porsche engines are designed to allow routine maintenance to be performed from under the car, although yes if you had to do something unusual it could be quite a chore to hoist the engine out of the bay.
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      01-19-2016, 12:26 PM   #55
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Oil changes at dealers can be significantly more than that, and a lot of that charge is just to reset the service reminder, which can't be done via the dashboard like BMWs. It's hugely annoying, but investing in a Durametric cable or finding an aftermarket shop that has a third-party diag tool that can do this (such as a Snap-On Verus) avoids that. However, the oil change interval on Porsches is 10K miles. I'll be changing mine every 5K, just as I changed every 7.5K when BMW recommended 15K, though they've now switched back to 10K. Porsche's transaxle interval is something like 125K, which I think is ludicrous even though the drain plug is magnetic and should therefore hang onto metal shards. Most people who do any track work seem to change that at 10K since it's not very expensive or difficult and you don't need to reset the service minder until 125K anyway.

As for work, Porsche engines are designed to allow routine maintenance to be performed from under the car, although yes if you had to do something unusual it could be quite a chore to hoist the engine out of the bay.
Thanks for the education. I thought for sure they had said 20K but I must be making that up. The dealer definitely quoted the ~$200 range for the oil change and service, so it will be interesting to see how much it really turns out to be.
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Can't speak for 981 but my 987.1 was pretty cheap to maintain. I bought all the parts online for the 40K major service and I think it came out to 300 total. Oil, filter, cabin filter, spark plugs, belt, air filter etc. Easy to work on except the spark plugs which are changed from the bottom for easier access.

Either way this comparison is kind of weird. One is a 4 seater and the other is a 2 seater that costs double.
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Either way this comparison is kind of weird. One is a 4 seater and the other is a 2 seater that costs double.
Not weird if your criteria is a "Small fun car for 50-60K".
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Can't speak for 981 but my 987.1 was pretty cheap to maintain. I bought all the parts online for the 40K major service and I think it came out to 300 total. Oil, filter, cabin filter, spark plugs, belt, air filter etc. Easy to work on except the spark plugs which are changed from the bottom for easier access.

Either way this comparison is kind of weird. One is a 4 seater and the other is a 2 seater that costs double.
Are you implying that maintenance cost double?
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Are you implying that maintenance cost double?
The car costs double (new vs. new) depending on how the 981 is optioned.
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Not weird if your criteria is a "Small fun car for 50-60K".
I guess you could say that in the same way a X5M and a F250 diesel are "work trucks" over 6,000 lbs gross vehicle weight.
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The car costs double (new vs. new) depending on how the 981 is optioned.
I wouldn't say double - most 981s are in the mid 70s, approaching 80.

Significantly more? Yes. Double...no, unless it is a GT4, which makes sense.
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I guess you could say that in the same way a X5M and a F250 diesel are "work trucks" over 6,000 lbs gross vehicle weight.
You could but that wouldn't make much sense. They have distinctly different purposes and characters.

In the case of the M2 vs a Cayman, the addition of 2 borderline unusable rear seats doesn't fundamentally change the use case of each vehicle. You aren't towing a trailer with one and not the other. The Cayman is only slightly smaller than an M2, and depending on configuration, can cost about the same, and will likely perform roughly the same.

It does I suppose put the M2 in a different narrowly defined and irrelevant marketing niche compared to Cayman, but personally I don't listen to magazines and OEMs when they tell me what i should cross-shop.
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You could but that wouldn't make much sense. They have distinctly different purposes and characters.

In the case of the M2 vs a Cayman, the addition of 2 borderline unusable rear seats doesn't fundamentally change the use case of each vehicle. You aren't towing a trailer with one and not the other. The Cayman is only slightly smaller than an M2, and depending on configuration, can cost about the same, and will likely perform roughly the same.

It does I suppose put the M2 in a different narrowly defined and irrelevant marketing niche compared to Cayman, but personally I don't listen to magazines and OEMs when they tell me what i should cross-shop.
Both a F250 and X5M can tow just like both a mid engine 2 seater ground up sports car Cayman S can go around a corner like a hopped up 2 series.

The Cayman weighs 300+ pounds less than the M2, seats 2 less people has the engine in the middle vs. the front is flat 6 N/A vs I6 turbocharged. Under no circumstances are they similarly priced new for new. M2 is 51K and the cheapest no options Cayman S is 64K. Nobody buys a no options Cayman S. Average build is closer to mid 70's (up to 100K) after options which is M4 pricing territory.

I guess they can both be used as a daily driver or track car but I would not consider the 2 cars competitors at all and I doubt many people in the market for a new Cayman S are cross shopping a new M2.

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Cayman S if it's brand new and you can afford it. If not, M2.
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Both a F250 and X5M can tow just like both a mid engine 2 seater ground up sports car Cayman S can go around a corner like a hopped up 2 series.

The Cayman weighs 300+ pounds less than the M2, seats 2 less people has the engine in the middle vs. the front is flat 6 N/A vs I6 turbocharged. Under no circumstances are they similarly priced new for new. M2 is 51K and the cheapest no options Cayman S is 64K. Nobody buys a no options Cayman S. Average build is closer to mid 70's (up to 100K) after options which is M4 pricing territory.

I guess they can both be used as a daily driver or track car but I would not consider the 2 cars competitors at all and I doubt many people in the market for a new Cayman S are cross shopping a new M2.
Ironic - doubting that people cross shop the two in a thread about people discussing how they are cross shopping the two.

I guess all these people doing it are lying.
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you can get a used Cayman 2014 with 2K miles + all the options you need for 60K.

They are much closer that people give them credit. I found some Boxster S with 4k miles with all the options minus the exhaust note - for 55k.
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