[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

M2 for the win as the better every car.

Compared to the 987 R - perhaps. Against the 981, no one knows yet.

[Bmwhocr]

Originally Posted by dammitcubs

Yeah i just called my dealer:

I'm #3 on his list but and #6 overall. (WTF!!!). I thought I was much closer. I don't care to be on HIS list. I want to be on THE LIST.

Hey noticed you have an evo too! Where are you #6? I'm at Fremont and Stevens creeks wait list as well. No telling when I will see the car. Struggle is real

To the OP. Porsche for the pure experience, m2 for practicality. I considered it too!

[Robert]

Originally Posted by jphughan

Granted I have access to my wife's Mini if I need to move something very large

Nice, I never imagined I would hear someone say mini and moving large item in same sentence

[Big Tuna]

Struggling mightily right now - 981 or m2.

Saw both at NAIAS yesterday.

#1 on dealer list for m2.


I'm sure the m2 will be great - I'd been following it for nearly 18 months now, but the 718 announcement threw a wrench into things.

Last chance to get one of the last great purist NA, light weight sports cars - 981S or GTS - or cheaper m2?

[jphughan]

Originally Posted by Robert

Nice, I never imagined I would hear someone say mini and moving large item in same sentence

True! But even though I never had any interest in hatchbacks before, I have to say that the Mini has come in handy time and time again. The 981s actually have a surprising amount of cargo capacity in them especially for their class, but it's split between front and rear, and moving things like a piece of small furniture or a set of tires would be impossible here but doable in the Mini. But a friend of mine has an R8 V10 6MT and his frunk is pathetically small. He originally traded his Z4 in to get it, so it was his only car, but then he realized he couldn't even pick someone up from the airport with it because he had room for only one piece of soft luggage in there, not even a hard carry-on sized bag. For that and a few other reasons he's now also leasing an i3, which is actually a cooler car than I was expecting (though the R8 was actually less cool than I was expecting.)

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Big Tuna

Struggling mightily right now - 981 or m2.

Saw both at NAIAS yesterday.

#1 on dealer list for m2.


I'm sure the m2 will be great - I'd been following it for nearly 18 months now, but the 718 announcement threw a wrench into things.

Last chance to get one of the last great purist NA, light weight sports cars - 981S or GTS - or cheaper m2?

M2
Cheaper.
More rare.
Better resale value
Better daily driver.
More practical. (Depends on what your second vehicle is )?

[Big Tuna]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

M2
Cheaper.
More rare.
Better resale value
Better daily driver.
More practical. (Depends on what your second vehicle is )?

Cheaper? - Yes. Oddly enough the 981 will be less to insure though (quoted a m235 for comparison which was higher than 981)

Resale, rarity - perhaps, at least for the first year, but then who knows.

Practicality isn't a concern - I have an SUV if i need practical.

My only disappointments with the m2 are the weight and the color choices.

So its a fairly loaded m2 at ~54K or a stripper 981 GTS around $74K

Maybe I'll get the m2, drive it for a year, and swap to a GT4 if prices come down a bit by then.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

M2
Cheaper.
More rare.
Better resale value
Better daily driver.
More practical. (Depends on what your second vehicle is )?

Again - what are you basing the sweeping generalization that the M2 will be a better daily driver on? I am just curious - not being facetious.

I ask because some people (myself included) like a car that is perhaps a little stiffer or has more engine noise in the cabin (I truly only listen to the radio when my girlfriend is in the car with me).

The M2 is going to be very, very good - I have no doubt of that. But what makes a car good/bad from a DD perspective is quite subjective.

PS - my second vehicle is a screaming Ducati, so the 981 is damn practical.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Again - what are you basing the sweeping generalization that the M2 will be a better daily driver on? I am just curious - not being facetious.

I ask because some people (myself included) like a car that is perhaps a little stiffer or has more engine noise in the cabin (I truly only listen to the radio when my girlfriend is in the car with me).

The M2 is going to be very, very good - I have no doubt of that. But what makes a car good/bad from a DD perspective is quite subjective.

PS - my second vehicle is a screaming Ducati, so the 981 is damn practical.

It has rear seats.

Whether or not a person intends to ever take a passenger, the possibility is there.

Especially for all those that have forum guys girlfriends that they are going to marry and have children with , they won't need to sell the Cayman to get a minivan, they can keep their 1m

Plus you can carry your girlfriends objects without needing a spare MINI

[Romo]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Again - what are you basing the sweeping generalization that the M2 will be a better daily driver on? I am just curious - not being facetious.

I ask because some people (myself included) like a car that is perhaps a little stiffer or has more engine noise in the cabin (I truly only listen to the radio when my girlfriend is in the car with me).

The M2 is going to be very, very good - I have no doubt of that. But what makes a car good/bad from a DD perspective is quite subjective.

PS - my second vehicle is a screaming Ducati, so the 981 is damn practical.

Well I did own the Cayman GTS for 16 months, and fore sure it isn`t harsh, nor stiff, it is a very wel balanced car and a formidable road compliance.
For me it is not about 2 vs 4 doors, to much or too little sound, NA vs Turbo, the Porker being a better or lesser car, no not in the least. For me there're some factual reasons;

1; the sportseats+ can not ever match on seating comfort, seating adjustability, tightness on the upper body like the 1M seats, the M2 seats wil be comparable to the 1M. The CGTS had for me a cramped seating position.

2; the CGTS has a kind of weird steering, it costs a strange kind of force/effort, some will like it, some don`t, well I do not. It is tiresome IMHO, the car is in need of constant attention, especialy while cornering, the steer wants to go to the middle in a too aeger way, too much self centering force.


Al in al enough reason for me to turn the car in and I ordered the M2. Of course other Bimmerpost members can have different opinions, but then again I can only speak for my self and share my experiences on this forum.

[CosmosMpower]

Cayman S for sure unless you need the extra 2 seats.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

It has rear seats.

Whether or not a person intends to ever take a passenger, the possibility is there.

Especially for all those that have forum guys girlfriends that they are going to marry and have children with , they won't need to sell the Cayman to get a minivan, they can keep their 1m

Plus you can carry your girlfriends objects without needing a spare MINI

Are you part of a carpool?

You can take a passenger. You just can't take 3.

And if you're taller than 5'6", the backseat of the 1M isn't very useful. Short distances, sure - but to replace a minivan? I have a hard time believing that...

Additionally, the trunk opening of the E82 was sometimes an issue for me with both of my 135s - there was good boot space, but hard to use it all based on what was being moved.

I mentioned this in a different post, but I moved my girlfriend's entire closet in my 981 this weekend. Shoes. Boots. Sweaters. Jeans. The whole 9...so don't be so certain that the space is without utility...

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Romo

Well I did own the Cayman GTS for 16 months, and fore sure it isn`t harsh, nor stiff, it is a very wel balanced car and a formidable road compliance.
For me it is not about 2 vs 4 doors, to much or too little sound, NA vs Turbo, the Porker being a better or lesser car, no not in the least. For me there're some factual reasons;

1; the sportseats+ can not ever match on seating comfort, seating adjustability, tightness on the upper body like the 1M seats, the M2 seats wil be comparable to the 1M. The CGTS had for me a cramped seating position.

2; the CGTS has a kind of weird steering, it costs a strange kind of force/effort, some will like it, some don`t, well I do not. It is tiresome IMHO, the car is in need of constant attention, especialy while cornering, the steer wants to go to the middle in a too aeger way, too much self centering force.


Al in al enough reason for me to turn the car in and I ordered the M2. Of course other Bimmerpost members can have different opinions, but then again I can only speak for my self and share my experiences on this forum.

I understand your points - those are valid reasons to look elsewhere - I happen to fit well in the 981, so it works for me on the seating position. I also have the 14 way adjustable versions, which have a nice electric thigh extension, so there's many different configurations available. I am betting the M2 will be similar - which is good.

The steering is certainly better than the 235's...but I am sure the M2's will be similar to the other F8X cars I've driven, and they were certainly leagues better. I am sure it will be good.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

Cayman S for sure unless you need the extra 2 seats.

As a huge M2 fan and genuine BMW fanboy, this Cayman S all day long if you don't need 4 seats.

[dammitcubs]

is the difference between a 435i vs M4, significantly different?

What I mean is? Is the streering, Chassis improvements extremely noticeable?

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by dammitcubs

is the difference between a 435i vs M4, significantly different?

What I mean is? Is the streering, Chassis improvements extremely noticeable?

In my opinion yes....but not at 30mph levels

[flyaway]

Originally Posted by Romo

Well I did own the Cayman GTS for 16 months, and fore sure it isn`t harsh, nor stiff, it is a very wel balanced car and a formidable road compliance.
For me it is not about 2 vs 4 doors, to much or too little sound, NA vs Turbo, the Porker being a better or lesser car, no not in the least. For me there're some factual reasons;

1; the sportseats+ can not ever match on seating comfort, seating adjustability, tightness on the upper body like the 1M seats, the M2 seats wil be comparable to the 1M. The CGTS had for me a cramped seating position.

2; the CGTS has a kind of weird steering, it costs a strange kind of force/effort, some will like it, some don`t, well I do not. It is tiresome IMHO, the car is in need of constant attention, especialy while cornering, the steer wants to go to the middle in a too aeger way, too much self centering force.


Al in al enough reason for me to turn the car in and I ordered the M2. Of course other Bimmerpost members can have different opinions, but then again I can only speak for my self and share my experiences on this forum.

It's an interesting story but for me the question is did you check or not the option "Power Steering Plus 658" on the Porsche, because depending on your usage or what you expect from a GTS it's a 300 euros option that can completely spoil you experience... Personally, as I also consider the NA Cayman (as a sort of last purist car) vs a M2, I wouldn't check it at all, just the Sport chrono + (included) , Sport Suspension and PTV.

Regarding the M2 seats (and interior) , they are the same as the M135i/M235i/any M sport model (or even inferior, in my opinion, as they insisted on imposing "luxurious" leather and not keeping alcantara) and rather good but nothing exceptional, especially on spirited/track driving (the very main reason for buying a M2). In this respect, I find the Cayman seats (and driving position) superior.
On the other hand, M135i/M235i (with or not an M performance diff) is a more worthy and practical daily driver and I seriously doubt the (important) technical differences with a M2 will be quite noticeable outside a track. So personally I don't quite see the reason of buying a M2 as an exclusively daily (other then " image", maybe )...

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I moved my girlfriend's entire closet in my 981 this weekend. Shoes. Boots. Sweaters. Jeans. The whole 9...so don't be so certain that the space is without utility...

Oh, but for the same feat I'd need a fleet of 981s for my wife's stuff.

Don't quote me on that.

[ILUSV]

Originally Posted by flyaway

It's an interesting story but for me the question is did you check or not the option "Power Steering Plus 658" on the Porsche, because depending on your usage or what you expect from a GTS it's a 300 euros option that can completely spoil you experience... Personally, as I also consider the NA Cayman (as a sort of last purist car) vs a M2, I wouldn't check it at all, just the Sport chrono + (included) , Sport Suspension and PTV.

Regarding the M2 seats (and interior) , they are the same as the M135i/M235i/any M sport model (or even inferior, in my opinion, as they insisted on imposing "luxurious" leather and not keeping alcantara) and rather good but nothing exceptional, especially on spirited/track driving (the very main reason for buying a M2). In this respect, I find the Cayman seats (and driving position) superior.
On the other hand, M135i/M235i (with or not an M performance diff) is a more worthy and practical daily driver and I seriously doubt the (important) technical differences with a M2 will be quite noticeable outside a track. So personally I don't quite see the reason of buying a M2 as an exclusively daily (other then " image", maybe )...

Thanks for pointing the "Power Steering Plus 658" option out, is this similar to the VSS in our cars?

I'm looking at this GTS and it doesn't appear to have that option:
http://www.porsche-code.com/PGV7FR27

[Romo]

Originally Posted by flyaway

It's an interesting story but for me the question is did you check or not the option "Power Steering Plus 658" on the Porsche, because depending on your usage or what you expect from a GTS it's a 300 euros option that can completely spoil you experience... Personally, as I also consider the NA Cayman (as a sort of last purist car) vs a M2, I wouldn't check it at all, just the Sport chrono + (included) , Sport Suspension and PTV.

Regarding the M2 seats (and interior) , they are the same as the M135i/M235i/any M sport model (or even inferior, in my opinion, as they insisted on imposing "luxurious" leather and not keeping alcantara) and rather good but nothing exceptional, especially on spirited/track driving (the very main reason for buying a M2). In this respect, I find the Cayman seats (and driving position) superior.
On the other hand, M135i/M235i (with or not an M performance diff) is a more worthy and practical daily driver and I seriously doubt the (important) technical differences with a M2 will be quite noticeable outside a track. So personally I don't quite see the reason of buying a M2 as an exclusively daily (other then " image", maybe )...

Yes that option was on my car, but it is only working below 30km/h, after that it will not affect the steering qualities.

The steering effect I did`t like were the ones at more speed and cornering, I felt too much resistance/self centering force to my liking. (caster?)

The CGTS "sport+" seat are less comfortable, but also the upper leg support is rather short (there is no extension possibility, like the 1M or M2) it made my seating position cramped, nor is there any possibility to adjust lumbar or upper body support, these seat s are quiet wide.

Of course it is all a matter of personal perception and personal experience, so everybody is entitled to have different opinions, but this is mainly why I sold the CGTS (I loved the in- and exterior, the brakes, the sound though !)

[csbear]

Originally Posted by ILUSV

Thanks for pointing the "Power Steering Plus 658" option out, is this similar to the VSS in our cars?

I'm looking at this GTS and it doesn't appear to have that option:
http://www.porsche-code.com/PGV7FR27

I just checked, and it is definitely on the U.S. configurator at least, under: Performance...for $270. And yes, as Romo mentioned, it's for low speeds, like parking, etc. So not really useful for performance driving.

I really like that config. Are you planning to order it?
If so, great choice with the Carmine Red and GTS Interior/Exterior. I would basically configure it the exact same way. That thing is going to be beautiful. My brother has a 991 GTS in Carmine Red..stunning!

I'm guessing you already know, but be a little careful with the front glossy exterior bits though. They will show rock chips a little more than the exterior which doesn't have the GTS exterior pkg. Although the GTS exterior pkg really adds "pop" and looks nice.

[flyaway]

Originally Posted by Romo

Yes that option was on my car, but it is only working below 30km/h, after that it will not affect the steering qualities.

The steering effect I did`t like were the ones at more speed and cornering, I felt too much resistance/self centering force to my liking. (caster?)

The CGTS "sport+" seat are less comfortable, but also the upper leg support is rather short (there is no extension possibility, like the 1M or M2) it made my seating position cramped, nor is there any possibility to adjust lumbar or upper body support, these seat s are quiet wide.

Of course it is all a matter of personal perception and personal experience, so everybody is entitled to have different opinions, but this is mainly why I sold the CGTS (I loved the in- and exterior, the brakes, the sound though !)

As far as I know, the option is working until 31 mph (50km/h) and the transition effect is rather disturbing, especially when cornering. I like the steering feel (what is left of it) on a sport car to be as linear as possible, especially in the era of electro-mechanical power steering.