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      04-17-2015, 10:42 AM   #23
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Isn't the TTRS going to be a fair amount more expensive than the M2?

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      04-17-2015, 12:23 PM   #24
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A trailer for the new Avengers movie coming out this summer teases to the new street version of the TT-RS; saw it during The Americans on FX this past week. You get only a couple of quick glimpses ...

... but man, those glimpses are SICK.
Sweet, thanks I'll check it.
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Isn't the TTRS going to be a fair amount more expensive than the M2?
I'm guessing it has to be
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I'm guessing it has to be
It'll most likely be M3/4 money I would think.
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It'll most likely be M3/4 money I would think.
It should be a bit more expensive than the CLA45.. Im guessing around 4-5k more? Definitely not M3/M4 money..
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It'll most likely be M3/4 money I would think.
Prob around that. But the TT is AWD, and live in Buffalo. .
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It should be a bit more expensive than the CLA45.. Im guessing around 4-5k more? Definitely not M3/M4 money..
Just did some research, old model was 56k. So it looks like price wise, it'll probably slot in right in between the M2 and M3 in terms of price.

If the RS3 is going to compete against the M2 and CLA45, I'd expect a bit of a premium for a TT.

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Prob around that. But the TT is AWD, and live in Buffalo. .
That definitely makes sense then. Did you live in Greenville SC by any chance (just saw Upstate).

That's why I have no interest in anything other than RWD and 6MT. No snow or significant traffic
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I'd rather get the Cayman than this personally.
Good point, but you might get more bang for your buck (BHP, amenities) by going with the Audi.

Subjectively speaking, it might look better as well. You have to get into Cayman GTS land to get all of the good looking kit, unfortunately.
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It'll most likely be M3/4 money I would think.
Which would be ok for an M2 as well.

I don't think I should pay less for an M2 just because the number is lower - the price should be consummate with the performance and other positive attributes offered by the car.

For example, the M2, M3, and M4 could all be slotted within a few grand of each other, and be specced out accordingly.

M2: track junkies/lightness/less options
M3: 4 doors, more practicality, still good on track
M4: more luxury, elegance, etc.

All in the same general price range, all with the same engine - why not?
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Can't say anything about US prices (they are usually lower), but here are some german prices (incl. 19% VAT) for comparison:

- The M235i starts at €44,750
- The old RS3 started at €49,900 back in 2011
- The A45 starts at €50,150
- The 1M started at €50,500 back in 2011
- The RS3 starts at €52,700
- Autobild expects the M2 to start at around €54,000
- The old TT-RS started at €56,750 back in 2012
- The Cayman S starts at €64,100
- The M4 starts at €72,500

So expect the new TT-RS to start at around €60K – or in other words: a few thousand bucks more expensive than the M2, but still a lot cheaper than an M4.

BTW: Most of the 200+ HP hot hatches (Golf GTI etc.) start below 30K – no wonder why we Europeans love them so much. They are hard to beat in terms of price/performance.
But since the TT-RS is based on the same platform as the Mk.7 Golf, Audi will have to put a lot of effort into the car to make it worth that much more money. However, the car will almost certainly have a substantial weight advantage compared to the M2.
The F20/21/22 on the other hand, are based on the same platform as the F30 and the M2 in particular is expected to share quite a few components with the M4. It will almost certainly be quite a bit heavier, given the slightly larger dimensions and being based on the larger platform. On the other hand, that platform was built for these kind of cars, and being able to use existing M3/M4 parts certainly won't hurt.

This will be an interesting year for performance cars in the sub-M4 price range.
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M2 should cover also the absence of Z4M.
How good it will be on track, it remains to be seen!
Cayman S was faster than M4 on a certain track, so BMW should play hard with the new M model!
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Can't say anything about US prices (they are usually lower), but here are some german prices (incl. 19% VAT) for comparison:

- The M235i starts at 44,750
- The old RS3 started at 49,900 back in 2011
- The A45 starts at 50,150
- The 1M started at 50,500 back in 2011
- The RS3 starts at 52,700
- Autobild expects the M2 to start at around 54,000
- The old TT-RS started at 56,750 back in 2012
- The Cayman S starts at 64,100
- The M4 starts at 72,500

So expect the new TT-RS to start at around 60K or in other words: a few thousand bucks more expensive than the M2, but still a lot cheaper than an M4.

BTW: Most of the 200+ HP hot hatches (Golf GTI etc.) start below 30K no wonder why we Europeans love them so much. They are hard to beat in terms of price/performance.
But since the TT-RS is based on the same platform as the Mk.7 Golf, Audi will have to put a lot of effort into the car to make it worth that much more money. However, the car will almost certainly have a substantial weight advantage compared to the M2.
The F20/21/22 on the other hand, are based on the same platform as the F30 and the M2 in particular is expected to share quite a few components with the M4. It will almost certainly be quite a bit heavier, given the slightly larger dimensions and being based on the larger platform. On the other hand, that platform was built for these kind of cars, and being able to use existing M3/M4 parts certainly won't hurt.

This will be an interesting year for performance cars in the sub-M4 price range.
those prices don't really apply to the US market. The last TT-RS costed almost as much ($58k) as the last m3 and the 1M was $47k.
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those prices don't really apply to the US market. The last TT-RS costed almost as much ($58k) as the last m3 and the 1M was $47k.
Wow, I knew that german cars are cheaper in the US, but I didn't realize they actually roll US car prices with dice... :O
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